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Thank you, Jordi, for considering my previous comments and for restructuring this into a more focused proposal.</div>
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In principle, I support linking IPv4 allocations under the Soft Landing policy with commitment toward IPv6 deployment. Given the IPv4 exhaustion reality, this is a reasonable policy direction.</div>
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I also appreciate the additional clarifications regarding the existing policy references and deployment expectations. Nevertheless, I believe the implementation and enforcement aspects may still require further refinement to ensure the criteria remain objective,
measurable, and operationally practical across the AFRINIC service region. I believe the staff analysis may further help clarify the operational feasibility, compliance verification approach, and enforcement practicality of the proposed requirements.</div>
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Overall, I support the intent of the proposal and appreciate the more granular approach to the discussion.</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 28, 2026 1:21:52 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] IPv6 as a criteria in IPv4 Soft Landing AFPUB-2026-v6-001-DRAFT01.</font>
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<div>Tks, next version will use: “Any IPv4 request must be done with a simultaneous IPv6 request if the requesting party does not already have IPv6 space.” This may depend on the impact analysis inputs, of course.</div>
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<div>About the determination/measurement that this is being done, let me explain how I see this.</div>
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<div>The existing 6.5.1.1 (for LIRs) and 6.8.2, already set the conditions to be met. AFRINIC already has, in both cases, a 12 months period to confirm the deployment. May be is not sufficiently clear there if AFRINIC should do something if that’s not actually
done. We aren’t talking there only about announcing the prefix, but also in the case of LIRs, about making assignments to end-sites, and the text is clear, /48s, nothing different. There is no reason for using different sizes for different type of customers
on that text. There is no technical reason at all for not doing it correctly, however, this is a discussion for amending that part of the policy, not for this proposal.</div>
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<div>What this proposal wants to make sure is that you *actually*, *following existing policy*, if you get IPv4, you really deploy IPv6 in 12 months. To reinforce it I explicitly mention “In addition …”, as you said. Note that “in addition” section enforces
a more detailed work from the member requesting IPv4, to justify a credible IPv6 addressing and deployment plan, this will be accepted or not by AFRINIC, as with any request evaluation.</div>
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<div>For example, in many RIRs, not just AFRINIC, I’ve observed that many members get by default a /32, even if they have 800.000 end-sites. Clearly wrong, they didn’t have done any real addressing plan and they will end up providing a single /64 to each end-site.
If they do it correctly, they will soon discover why they should use /48s, so with a /32 they can only cover around 50.000 customers, which means that typically for 800.000 of customers (depending on the topological distribution of the network) will mean that
they need a /27-/28.</div>
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<div>I don’t think nobody can say “deploy” is not clear. If this is the case, we can improve it, something like “and IPv6 is actually being used”. We can even set a minimum level of traffic, such as 50% for example? Those that have deployed IPv6 know that,
at least in the case of residential and cellular customers, because most of the traffic (typically 75-90%) is from big CDNs, caches, and contend providers (all google, all Meta, Akamai and all the other CDNs), already provide IPv6, when you turn on IPv6 in
an end-site, the IPv6 traffic of that end-site becomes 75%-90% IPv6, in turn the total ISP traffic reaches similar levels.</div>
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<div>So asking for 50% seems to me conservative, but I’m happy for lower levels, if we agree that we can ask for more later on. We can even consider something like 25% after 12 months, 50% after 24 months, 75% after 48 months. Just an example.</div>
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<div>Finally, as we have many policies that AFRINIC not necessarily is measuring the compliance, that’s what the other proposal (compliance dashboard) was already trying to resolve, now in a “light” version.</div>
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<div>This proposal also added a trigger (failure to comply) to ensure that abuse (requesting IPv4, but then not deploying IPv6) can enact the RSA terms, because clearly shows that there is a policy breach.</div>
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<div>By the way, dynamic prefixes in IPv6 is broken, terrible idea, specially if there are power outages.</div>
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<div>I suggest to read what, hopefully in a few months, will become in RFC/BCP a successor of RIPE690:</div>
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<div>El 28 may 2026, a las 11:43, Jaco Kroon <jaco@uls.co.za> escribió:</div>
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<p>Hi Jordi,</p>
<p>I support the principle very much. Practicality may be a different story, yes, must implement v6, however:</p>
<p>How do you determine/measure that? I think your "In addition" section addresses this to a degree.</p>
<p>Merely advertising IPv6 space? Sure, that's easy, but it doesn't mean I have to actually make that available to customers.</p>
<p>Re proposed text, the word "However, " doesn't add value, merely "Any IPv4 request must be done with a simultaneous IPv6 request if the requesting party does not already have IPv6 space."</p>
<p>This does also be the question, it seems 6.5.1.1.3 states that you must give /48s to end sites - we do distinguish between business and home users, for business we happily do /48 if so required (at least we reserve a /48 per site minimum), but for home users
we generally do dynamically allocated /56 (but will again do /48 on request) - would this imply failure to comply with your proposed policy? If so, should the proposed policy be adjusted, or 6.5.1.1.3?</p>
<p>For PI space (6.8.2.2.d) - what does deployed mean?</p>
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<p style="font-size:large; padding-left:10px; padding-top:3px">Kind regards,<br>
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<pre class="x_moz-quote-pre">Hi all,
Somehow this is a response to Sami input on a previous proposal.
This way we can split the problem space in 2 proposals, which may reach consensus without depending one on the other.
So we have a very basic question: If we believe that the members that receive IPv4 out of the Soft Landing policy, must implement IPv6, or not?
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<pre class="x_moz-quote-pre">El 28 may 2026, a las 10:05, Darwin Da Costa <a class="x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dacostadarwin@gmail.com"><dacostadarwin@gmail.com></a> escribió:
Dear PDWG,
We have received a new draft policy proposal - IPv6 as a criteria in IPv4 Soft Landing ID AFPUB-2026-v6-001-DRAFT01 from author Jordi Palet Martinez. The proposal contents are published at:
<a class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://afrinic.net/afpub-2026-v6-001-draft01">https://afrinic.net/afpub-2026-v6-001-draft01</a>
We encourage you to take some time to go through the proposal contents and provide feedback as follows:
a)Do you support or oppose the proposal?
b) If you oppose the proposal, state your reasons?
c) Is there anything in the proposal that is not clear?
d) What changes could be made to this proposal to make it more effective?
Regards,
Vincent Ngundi & Darwin Da Costa
AFRINIC PDWG Co-Chairs
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