<html aria-label="message body"><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">Hi Jaco,<div><br></div><div>As I just said in a previous email, the problem is that in other RIRs is crystal clear also in the RSA and bylaws, but it is also allowed to further clarify it via policies, like:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.lacnic.net/687/2/lacnic/">https://www.lacnic.net/687/2/lacnic/</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>In the case of AFRINIC, they perceive it as encroaching the staff, and then the board doesn’t ratify it. May be because Mauritius law and that means that we must change AFRINIC to another jurisdiction?</div><div><br></div><div>What is clear is that the community is the responsible of how the resources are handled by means of policies (not the staff, not the Board, not AFRINIC as an organisation), and this ALSO means that if they are misused against the policies, the community also is the responsible and has the RIGHT to decide how and even when the resources must be recovered. AFRINIC just execute the orders of the community in regard to policies. This is the same in all the RIRs.</div><div><br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div>
<div>Saludos,<br>Jordi<br><br>@jordipalet<br><br></div>
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<div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>El 23 may 2026, a las 20:16, Jaco Kroon <jaco@uls.co.za> escribió:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div>Short answer or long answer?<br><br>This hits straight at the disputes between Cloud Innovation and Afrinic as I understand, and this is currently being tested back and forth in court.<br><br>NRS is also sending a bunch of (in my humble opinion) FUD-generating emails around what and what does not constitute IP leasing. For me the difference is quite clear, am I leasing IPs for the sake of leasing IPs, or do I utilise IPs as part of selling an IP-based service?<br><br>I personally think things are clear-cut, as per inference below, but if that was the case it would not have ended up in court.<br><br>I'm not a lawyer and I don't know what the right way forward here is.<br><br>Kind regards,<br>Jaco<br><br><br>On 2026/05/22 12:01, jordi.palet--- via RPD wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">Hi all,<br><br>This point comes back frequently in discussions in different policy proposals, and I think we need to make it clear for once.<br><br>For example, yesterday Sami requested to add some kind of text for post-allocation follow-up.<br><br>I don’t think we have specific policy (other RIRs have it) for reclaim and recover, however, my understanding is that the existing RSA already enforces the policy compliance and AFRINIC may reclaim resources to any member that, for example, requested IPv4 or IPv6 addressing space with some specific plans, and after 1 or 2 years, the plans have been sensibly altered or even not complied at all, showing bad-faith on the original request.<br><br>Is my interpretation correct and coincident with AFRINIC or we should add very specific text for any policy proposal (or a generic proposal for lack of compliance like in some other RIRs), for AFRINIC to “verify” after a given period the compliance?<br><br>I will understand that plans for an organization may change, but I think in those cases, the organization must for its own interest, have an alternative plan for the business continuity/business strategy changes and that should be re-addressed with AFRINIC, in case the allocation of resources need to be modified.<br><br>I think a very clear (and urgent) response is needed in case we need to add some text into a new version of the current proposals under discussion before the dead line for a possible v2.<br><br>Tks!<br><br>Regards,<br>Jordi<br><br>@jordipalet<br><br><br><br>**********************************************<br>IPv4 is over<br>Are you ready for the new Internet ?<br>http://www.theipv6company.com<br>The IPv6 Company<br><br>This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this communication and delete it.<br><br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>RPD mailing list<br>RPD@afrinic.net<br>https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd<br></blockquote><br>_______________________________________________<br>RPD mailing list<br>RPD@afrinic.net<br>https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd<br></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div><br>**********************************************<br>
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