<html class="apple-mail-supports-explicit-dark-mode"><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="ltr">Hi Fernando,</div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">
<p>Don't remember of this being like that. Resources registered in
AfriNic region, regardless of when they were assigned are to be
used majority within the region for Africa Internet development
and AfriNic staff already made that clear in the past. There would
be no sense to get resources from AfriNic and be able to freely
use outside the region. </p></div></blockquote><div><div>You are right. We had these discussions several times in the past. It is a Regional Internet Registry and its resources are to be used in the region. Members in the region which span multiple regions should establish relationship with multiple RIRs. Staff in the evaluation of requests might allow some out of region usage of resources if and when the relationship with other RIRs not possible. The type of custodian at AFRINIC is of "Valid as long as original criteria remain satisfied". If staff has allowed out of region usage, audit should not find problems. </div><div> </div><div>The two policy proposals which tried to define which proportion of resource may be used out of the region failed for the reasons above and also because the AFRINIC held resources are not for sale.</div><div><br></div><div> https://afrinic.net/policy/archive/limited-out-of-region-allocation-of-ipv4-resources-afpub-2011-v4-003-draft-02</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>https://afrinic.net/policy/archive/out-of-region-use-of-afrinic-internet-number-resources</div><div><br></div></div><div>Thanks </div><div>Grégoire </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">
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4:39 PM Fernando Frediani <<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>>
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<div>With regards to space being used out of region -
that's extremely difficult to actually know -
because the BGP table has no knowledge of geography
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<div dir="auto">I wouldn't say it is trivial but with
geolocation data plus some traveroutes and latency check
it is not extremelly dificult to find out.</div>
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<div dir="auto">With some intended work that can be found
out and further investigate to give AfriNic all necessary
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at 4:11 PM Fernando Frediani <<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>>
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there are legitimate cases, but when this happens it
may be a signal <br>
of alert. The point is to find two things: 1) If the
ASN announcing it <br>
doesn't have any relation to the resource holder and
2) If resources are <br>
being used out of the region (the worst).<br>
For the case of parent/sub-company ideally resources
should be <br>
transferred among companies using them in reality
then.<br>
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Fernando<br>
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On 10/24/2025 7:45 AM, Andrew Alston wrote:<br>
> Hi All,<br>
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> While I haven't got around to publishing the
code behind this - mainly <br>
> because it by necessity exposes certain data
and requires a BGP dump <br>
> from a juniper router which is hundreds of megs
big, I've attached the <br>
> output of the code I wrote.<br>
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> One caveat with this data - There is nothing
inherently wrong with <br>
> space allocated to an organisation being
announced by a non-AfriNIC <br>
> ASN, there are many legitimate cases and
reasons behind this. The <br>
> same thing happens when space is allocated to
one organisation but <br>
> announced by another, and this can happen when
a sub-company of a <br>
> parent company is announcing space from their
own ASN when the space <br>
> was originally allocated to the parent. As
such, when reading this <br>
> data, it's important to understand that the
abnormalities detected do <br>
> not necessarily indicate anything nefarious -
and this data should not <br>
> be seen as accusations of malfeasance against
anyone.<br>
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> Let's see if the lists let this post through!<br>
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> Thanks<br>
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> Andrew<br>
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