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<p>Hello</p>
<p>Just wanted to share AfriNic's goal to serve Africa from AfriNic
bylaws:</p>
<p>"3.4) The Company shall have, both within and outside the
Republic of Mauritius, full capacity to carry and/or undertake any
business or activity, including but not limited to the following
objects:<br>
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i. to provide the service of allocating and registering
Internet resources for the purposes of enabling communications via
open system network protocols and to assist in the development and
growth of the Internet in the African region;"</p>
<p>Fernando</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/29/2025 9:22 AM, Grégoire EHOUMI
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<p>Don't remember of this being like that. Resources
registered in AfriNic region, regardless of when they were
assigned are to be used majority within the region for
Africa Internet development and AfriNic staff already made
that clear in the past. There would be no sense to get
resources from AfriNic and be able to freely use outside the
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<div>You are right. We had these discussions several times in
the past. It is a Regional Internet Registry and its resources
are to be used in the region. Members in the region which span
multiple regions should establish relationship with multiple
RIRs. Staff in the evaluation of requests might allow some out
of region usage of resources if and when the relationship with
other RIRs not possible. The type of custodian at AFRINIC is
of "Valid as long as original criteria remain satisfied". If
staff has allowed out of region usage, audit should not find
problems. </div>
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<div>The two policy proposals which tried to define which
proportion of resource may be used out of the region failed
for the reasons above and also because the AFRINIC held
resources are not for sale.</div>
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<div> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://afrinic.net/policy/archive/limited-out-of-region-allocation-of-ipv4-resources-afpub-2011-v4-003-draft-02">https://afrinic.net/policy/archive/limited-out-of-region-allocation-of-ipv4-resources-afpub-2011-v4-003-draft-02</a></div>
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<div><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://afrinic.net/policy/archive/out-of-region-use-of-afrinic-internet-number-resources">https://afrinic.net/policy/archive/out-of-region-use-of-afrinic-internet-number-resources</a></div>
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<div>Thanks </div>
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4:39 PM Fernando Frediani <<a
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2025, 10:18 Andrew Alston, <<a
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<div>With regards to space being used out of
region - that's extremely difficult to
actually know - because the BGP table has no
knowledge of geography :)</div>
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<div dir="auto">I wouldn't say it is trivial but with
geolocation data plus some traveroutes and latency
check it is not extremelly dificult to find out.</div>
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<div dir="auto">With some intended work that can be
found out and further investigate to give AfriNic
all necessary information.</div>
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24, 2025 at 4:11 PM Fernando Frediani <<a
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there are legitimate cases, but when this
happens it may be a signal <br>
of alert. The point is to find two things: 1)
If the ASN announcing it <br>
doesn't have any relation to the resource
holder and 2) If resources are <br>
being used out of the region (the worst).<br>
For the case of parent/sub-company ideally
resources should be <br>
transferred among companies using them in
reality then.<br>
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Fernando<br>
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On 10/24/2025 7:45 AM, Andrew Alston wrote:<br>
> Hi All,<br>
><br>
> While I haven't got around to publishing
the code behind this - mainly <br>
> because it by necessity exposes certain
data and requires a BGP dump <br>
> from a juniper router which is hundreds
of megs big, I've attached the <br>
> output of the code I wrote.<br>
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> One caveat with this data - There is
nothing inherently wrong with <br>
> space allocated to an organisation being
announced by a non-AfriNIC <br>
> ASN, there are many legitimate cases and
reasons behind this. The <br>
> same thing happens when space is
allocated to one organisation but <br>
> announced by another, and this can happen
when a sub-company of a <br>
> parent company is announcing space from
their own ASN when the space <br>
> was originally allocated to the parent.
As such, when reading this <br>
> data, it's important to understand that
the abnormalities detected do <br>
> not necessarily indicate anything
nefarious - and this data should not <br>
> be seen as accusations of
malfeasance against anyone.<br>
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> Let's see if the lists let this post
through!<br>
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> Thanks<br>
><br>
> Andrew<br>
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