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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/24/2025 12:34 PM, Owen DeLong
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<div>If they said that, they were mistaken. Reread the policy
documents and the bylaws. No such requirement exists in the
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<div>It may cause you moral outrage or feel wrong to you, but it
is not against the actual written rules. Multiple attempts to
change that have failed to gain consensus over the years. The
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I understand that possibility can be quiet bad for business like
brokerage or those who lease IP space or people not caring much on
how the resources destined to be used to develop internet em Africa
are used in a different way
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<div>With regards to space being used out of
region - that's extremely difficult to
actually know - because the BGP table has no
knowledge of geography :)</div>
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<div dir="auto">I wouldn't say it is trivial but with
geolocation data plus some traveroutes and latency
check it is not extremelly dificult to find out.</div>
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<div dir="auto">With some intended work that can be
found out and further investigate to give AfriNic
all necessary information.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Fernanso</div>
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24, 2025 at 4:11 PM Fernando Frediani <<a
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there are legitimate cases, but when this
happens it may be a signal <br>
of alert. The point is to find two things: 1)
If the ASN announcing it <br>
doesn't have any relation to the resource
holder and 2) If resources are <br>
being used out of the region (the worst).<br>
For the case of parent/sub-company ideally
resources should be <br>
transferred among companies using them in
reality then.<br>
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Fernando<br>
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On 10/24/2025 7:45 AM, Andrew Alston wrote:<br>
> Hi All,<br>
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> While I haven't got around to publishing
the code behind this - mainly <br>
> because it by necessity exposes certain
data and requires a BGP dump <br>
> from a juniper router which is hundreds
of megs big, I've attached the <br>
> output of the code I wrote.<br>
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> One caveat with this data - There is
nothing inherently wrong with <br>
> space allocated to an organisation being
announced by a non-AfriNIC <br>
> ASN, there are many legitimate cases and
reasons behind this. The <br>
> same thing happens when space is
allocated to one organisation but <br>
> announced by another, and this can happen
when a sub-company of a <br>
> parent company is announcing space from
their own ASN when the space <br>
> was originally allocated to the parent.
As such, when reading this <br>
> data, it's important to understand that
the abnormalities detected do <br>
> not necessarily indicate anything
nefarious - and this data should not <br>
> be seen as accusations of
malfeasance against anyone.<br>
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> Let's see if the lists let this post
through!<br>
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> Thanks<br>
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> Andrew<br>
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