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It’s not about the staff — they are doing an excellent job, indeed.</div>
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The issue lies in the broader structural situation in many of our countries.</div>
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Looking at the statistics shared in yhis list earlier, it becomes obvious that what is labelled as the “top 10” are not in fact the top African businesses when it comes to using v$ resources.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">That assumes a great many facts not in evidence and basically accuses every current applicant of fraud. It also calls into question the quality of the job done by the AFRINIC staff. If that’s truly an issue at the moment, then we should address
the staff problems and correct those issues, but assuming that every applicant is a fraud is NOT a valid basis for policy. </div>
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<blockquote type="cite">On Oct 14, 2025, at 22:20, Sami Salih <sami.salih@outlook.com> wrote:<br>
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<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><b>No, Owen</b><br>
If we can ensure that " </span><span style="font-family:sans-serif; color:rgb(0,0,0); background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">present needs are actual" we</span> wouldn't be having this debate.</div>
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The moment unnecessary IPv4 space is assigned to a business, they will quickly monetize it through resource transfers.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Remember, whatever you put on hold to protect future generations from significant scarcity subjects current generations to equivalent scarcity. The difference is that the future need is theoretical and the present needs are actual. </div>
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<div dir="auto">On Oct 14, 2025, at 15:39, Sami Salih <sami.salih@outlook.com> wrote:<br>
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That said, relying on African governments may be reasonable for countries with stable economic and political conditions. However, given the conflicts and instability present in several regions across the continent, it's wise to preserve sufficient resources
for future generations, who may otherwise face significant scarcity.</div>
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On a related note, the reserved IP blocks come at no cost. They don’t require active maintenance or storage infrastructure, just basic protection against misuse or hijacking. These reserves can be kept indefinitely. And once IPv6 becomes the dominant protocol,
we can simply "let them go!". But for now, we need to keep our resources.</div>
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<div dir="auto">I would agree with you if all the economies have the same resources (not just economical ones, but also human resources, expertise, etc.), but we know is not the case.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Now a different history is if any ISP in 1-2 years from now, has not *at least* started their deployment plans. In such a situation, I think it is a clear matter of governments, in their duty to protect citizens, taking strong actions against
any service provider or industry not doing so. Of course that means the government networks itself need to use IPv6: they need to set the example, otherwise you can’t enforce it.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Today deploying a *new* network using 464XLAT is even cheaper and easier than doing so with IPv4 or dual-stack. So this must be clearly enforced to obtain new licenses, as there is no excuse. This is valid for either cellular networks, broadband
networks or even for enterprise networks using IPv6-mostly.</div>
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<div dir="auto">I fully understand that is not the same for an existing network, that’s why they should have some more time, but at least have *clearly structured* plans, not just “yes we are thinking on that” ...</div>
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<div dir="auto">If it isn’t already deployed, I question this at this point. How long should the rest of the internet subsidize failure to deploy? Personally, I think we are past that point. </div>
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<div dir="auto">On Oct 14, 2025, at 02:05, jordi.palet--- via RPD <rpd@afrinic.net> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">Agree, however, we know very well that a small IPv4 pool (may be a /24 for each BGP PoP), is needed for interconnection with IPv4 Internet, as there may be still some old apps that require it.</div>
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<div dir="auto">El 14 oct 2025, a las 10:46, Owen DeLong via RPD <rpd@afrinic.net> escribió:</div>
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<div dir="auto">Yes, exactly. The continuing presence of an IPv4 free pool at AFRINIC and the efforts to keep it from running out are actually counterproductive to progress in the African digital economy. </div>
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<div dir="auto">On Oct 14, 2025, at 01:22, Hendrik Visage <hvisage@hevis.co.za> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto"> Shouldn’t we rather consider pushing IPv6 deployment assistance across Africa? ie. let the rest of the IPv4 go ASAP without much resistance instead of making this a begging/pleading/fighting game?</div>
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<div dir="auto">ARIN (North America) & RIPE (Europe) serviced areas are way ahead of IPv6 roll outs, ‘cause they don’t have any left, and looking at AfriNIC services countries, we are still have an abundance of IPv4, so IPv6 percentage roll outs are very low,
and rathe we should be pushing to mirror the IPv6 percentage rollout and usage rather than fighting over the few remaining IPv4s if we want to grow digital rollouts.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Perhaps even moving to a state of: “You can have IPv6, once you’ve proven a complete IPv6 rollout can you get anymore IPv4"</div>
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<div dir="auto">On 13 Oct 2025, at 16:43, Andrew Alston <aa@alstonnetworks.net> wrote:</div>
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<div dir="auto">I was wondering if there were updated statistics for the amount of space allocated in the last 3 years. In addition to this information regarding exactly how much free space is still available in the IPv4 unallocated pool (excluding reservations)</div>
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<div dir="auto">I ask this because depending on the allocation rate - we may wish to consider revising the soft-landing policy that currently reserves a /12 worth of ipv4 space for "future uses, as yet unforeseen".</div>
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<div dir="auto">I point out that the soft landing policy was ratified in 2011, and if we still, after 14 years, have not been able to articulate a clear reason for such a large reservation, I think it's time we look at most, if not all, of that /12 back into
the main unallocated pool that can be allocated for African resource holders that actually need it.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Amongst other reasons, sitting with unallocated, unannounced, reserved space like this leaves the space vulnerable to hijacking and malicious use or even potential theft.</div>
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