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Hi Jordi,<br>
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<div>On 14 Oct 2025, at 12:35, jordi.palet--- via RPD <rpd@afrinic.net> wrote:</div>
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I don’t understand the ASN problem. There is no scarcity of those.</div>
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<div>Well, during the period Oct ’24 till Jun ’25 you could NOT get a ASN from AfriNIC !</div>
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<div>I’m not saying that ASNs are a scarcity, just, it is a REQUIREMENT for network operations on the BBI (Big Bad Internet)</div>
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<div>We have done many IPv6 deployments, for Data Centers (then we use SIIT-DC), and for mobile and wired operators. In those cases the best solution is 464XLAT, which is the only transition mechanism valid in mobile networks, so if you have both mobile and
wireless is non-sense to use different transition mechanisms.</div>
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<div>In both cases you need “some” IPv4 addresses, and because you can’t route less than /24, most of the time, you will use a /24. If you have multiple PoPs for your BGP upstreams, then you may need multiple /24s.</div>
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<div>I do agree on these points. Just that there are “enough” IPv4 space in the open market to get going, </div>
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<div>El 14 oct 2025, a las 12:19, Hendrik Visage <hvisage@hevis.co.za> escribió:</div>
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<div>1) Get an ASN</div>
<div>2) deply IPv6 network</div>
<div>3) CGNAT / SIIT-DC / MAP-T - refer to Sky Networks’s presentations on IPv4aaS deployments</div>
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Single /24 but you NEED that ASN first !</div>
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<b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>14 October 2025 11:44<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">noah@neo.co.tz</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Ben Roberts AfriNIC <<a href="mailto:ben.roberts@afrinic.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">ben.roberts@afrinic.net</a>>; Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:aa@alstonnetworks.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">aa@alstonnetworks.net</a>>;
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On Oct 13, 2025, at 12:26, Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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and Government Networks (GovNet), which directly impacts the equitable deployment of essential digital services across majority of countries across our continent.<o:p></o:p></div>
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that have sovereign owned IPs that are independent of LIRs..<o:p></o:p></div>
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