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<div>On 14 Oct 2025, at 11:35, Noah <noah@neo.co.tz> wrote:</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 14 Oct 2025, 11:31 am Hendrik Visage, <<a href="mailto:hvisage@hevis.co.za">hvisage@hevis.co.za</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div> Shouldn’t we rather consider pushing IPv6 deployment assistance across Africa?</div>
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<div>ie. let the rest of the IPv4 go ASAP without much resistance.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Let it go where? </div>
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<div>Issued to (new)members without the onerous requirements … but yes, counterintuitive to the below</div>
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<div>ARIN (North America) & RIPE (Europe) serviced areas are way ahead of IPv6 roll outs, ‘cause they don’t have any left,
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<div dir="auto">Yes true but the operate dual-stack networks. </div>
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I’m seeing examples of IPv6 infrastructure examples, with IPv4 edges or IPv4aaS, so yeah, “dual” but the eyeballs dual </div>
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<div dir="auto">Have the global north networks returned the IPv4 address space back to ARIN and RIPE since its legacy to them and most of them are now IPv6 ready?</div>
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<div>As long as there are a “value” to IPv4s, they’ll get TRADED not returned ;)</div>
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<div>so IPv6 percentage roll outs are very low,</div>
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<div dir="auto">Is needed to aid with IPv6 transition...</div>
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<div>Yes, so change to: “You get the tiniest IPv4, but we’ll be generous with IPv6… or we’ll just issue all IPv4 without asking, so we don’t have any IPv4 to issue… but here is a IPv6 !!”</div>
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<div>and rathe we should be pushing to mirror the IPv6 percentage rollout and usage rather than fighting over the few remaining IPv4s if we want to grow digital rollouts.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Show me who in ARIN or RIPE returned their IPv4 address allocations back to the inventory after going full IPv6.</div>
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<div>True, but when they return it, then somebody else will use/buy it, and… no incentive to move to IPv6 for new entrants ;(</div>
<div>That is also why they’ll rather TRADE (or lease) it as they get something back for those IPv4s</div>
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<div>Perhaps even moving to a state of: “You can have IPv6, once you’ve proven a complete IPv6 rollout can you get anymore IPv4"</div>
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<div dir="auto">Good idea for those already with IPv4 space. Let us work out a policy around the above statement which I find reasonable.</div>
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<div>Yes, mostly spitballing and wondering about the options.</div>
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<div>Though the quicker AfriNIC is in a position to say “we don’t have any more IPv4s” the quicker the IPv4 fighting and policy issues will be gone… and basically all the court cases will be mood points.</div>
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<div>I’ll content (given I’m being on the receiving end of blocked resources) that the things NEW operators need from AfriNIC/RIR:</div>
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<div>1) Working RIR w.r.t. ROA/RPKI/WHOIS/etc.</div>
<div>2) ASN - Without this you can’t peer!!!</div>
<div>3) IPv6 space - Now they have something to deploy a stable network</div>
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<div>For the needs towards IPv4, there are “enough” floating IPv4 space, but without an ASN your network are hobbled to a single upstream… and without your own IPv6 your network deployment is… challenging - and in need of renumbering later as I need to do now.</div>
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<div>So yes, IPv4 is a “thing” but there are enough free/etc. IPv4 space to trade/get in the open market… yes, paying somebody, but it pushed me to be a IPv6 only first network with IPv4 as an add on rather as a planned first!</div>
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<p>Hendrik Visage</p>
<p>hvisage@hevis.co.za<br>
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