<div dir="auto"><div>Great discussions!</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">My one cent is that due to the impasse we have had, which is due partly to AFRINIC's own by-laws/policies, I think the Board would have to look critically and with multiple checks before ratifying any policy.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I also think we should not push for a policy that's not already passed to be hurriedly ratified. Ideally such policies should go through "public comments" for critical checks before being passed on for ratification. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Care must be taken so we don't have a "stone-around our neck to make us easily sink" again. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Regards, </div><div><br></div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">---<br>Raymond Mamattah<br>Accra, Ghana 🇬🇭 </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 10 Oct 2025, 08:10 Jaco Kroon, <<a href="mailto:jaco@uls.co.za">jaco@uls.co.za</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
<div>
<p>Hi Jordi,</p>
<p>I fully agree with what you say here.</p>
<p>There are however pending disputes regarding legitimacy of a
couple of members who could use the specific policy to sidestep
the issue. The policy needs to be adjusted to ensure that only
members who's not only in good standing, but who is fully
compliant with existing policies and where there are no ongoing
disputes/court cases etc ... are allowed to transfer out.</p>
<p>Kind regards,<br>
Jaco </p>
<div>On 2025/10/09 17:10, jordi.palet--- via
RPD wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
I don’t think membership status has anything to do with PDP.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Ideally PDP is contributed by many members actively
participating, but I think this is not the case (not only in
Afrinic, also in general in other RIRs).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Even if I personally disagree with the transfer policy that
got consensus declared, I think it should be ratified
immediately, because implementation takes many months (as
experienced by other RIRs). In that period, we still have the
chance to improve it, if the community believe that needs to be
done. Then small implementation changes can often be done very
quickly.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>This is the same for any policy that reached consensus, even
for the complete policy manual. It is a “live law”, the
community has the chance to*always* change or improve things.
What it will be useless and long time consuming is when
something that reached consensus (and had a positive impact
analisys) is returned to the list to re-start again the full
process. Again, if something can be improved, let’s do it based
on the already approved text, not from scracth.</div>
<div><br id="m_-6594560749216283948lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage">
<div>
<div>Regards,<br>
Jordi<br>
<br>
@jordipalet<br>
<br>
</div>
</div>
<div><br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>El 9 oct 2025, a las 6:42, Jaco Kroon
<a href="mailto:jaco@uls.co.za" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><jaco@uls.co.za></a> escribió:</div>
<br>
<div>
<div>
<p>Hi,<br>
</p>
<p>That policy specifically may be one we may want to
hold off until current membership status has been
sorted out first. Or at least the policy should be
amended to compensate for what we've learned in the
last five years.<br>
<br>
Kind regards,<br>
Jaco<br>
<br>
On 2025/10/09 02:21, Emmanuel Vitus wrote:</p>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">Good to see the
list active again. Hopefully we can keep the
energy focused this time and not fall back
into the long circular debates we had in the
past.</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">
<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">It could help
to have a simple matrix showing which
proposals can be ratified quickly with little
or no cost and which ones may need more time
or legal review. A timeline would also be
useful to follow progress taking into account
the Board comments and the steps before
ratification.</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">
<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">The transfer
policy should move forward as soon as
possible, my 2cents.</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">
<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">Cheers! </span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">
<br style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">
<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">- Emmanuel</span></font></div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le jeu. 9 oct.
2025 à 00:18, jordi.palet--- via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
a écrit :<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>Hi Caleb,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The proposals that I refer:</div>
<div>1) Already reached consensus.</div>
<div>2) Already were sent to the board with the
relevant reports.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>So from that perspective, with “basically
administrative” I mean that there is not “a
lot of other” work to be done in the
proposals. Of course, the board should make
sure that the proposals aren’t against the
company, but the legal implications,
operational feasibility, alignment with the
bylaws, etc., was already done because all
this is part of the analysis impact that was
prepared *before* declaring consensus. This is
just the way the PDP works, so we aren’t
changing anything.</div>
<div><br id="m_-6594560749216283948m_960669498772390331lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage">
<div>
<div>Saludos,<br>
Jordi<br>
<br>
@jordipalet<br>
<br>
</div>
</div>
<div><br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>El 8 oct 2025, a las 18:07, Caleb
Ogundele <<a href="mailto:muyiwacaleb@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">muyiwacaleb@gmail.com</a>>
escribió:</div>
<br>
<div>
<div dir="ltr">
<div>Hi Jordi and All,<br>
<br>
I'm happy this list is becoming more
active, and it is a good thing. <br>
Responding to @Jordi, I must
respectfully differ with Jordi on
point one. While I share the desire
to see pending proposals move
forward, I don't believe board
ratification should be characterized
as "basically an administrative task
that should not take too much time."</div>
<div>
<p>Board ratification is a critical
governance checkpoint where
proposals are reviewed for legal
implications, operational
feasibility, and alignment with
AFRINIC's mission and bylaws.
Given that we're emerging from
three years of limited
functionality as a community, I
believe the Community and the
Board deserve adequate time to
properly review and ratify
proposals, especially those that
may have significant operational
or financial implications for
AFRINIC and its members. Times
have changed in the last three
years and community members have
different views on certain
policies. Rushing this process
could lead to oversights that
create problems down the line.
Quality should take precedence
over speed. </p>
</div>
<div><b>Caleb Ogundele</b><br>
<i>Speaking for myself as a
community member<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</i></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On
Wed, Oct 8, 2025 at 6:34 PM
jordi.palet--- via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>HI Seun, all,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Fully agree with your view.
I will add 2 more points:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>1) There are several policy
proposals that reached
consensus and are “paused”
just waiting for the board
ratification. I understand the
board will be very busy, but
the ratification is basically
an administrative task that
should not take too much time.
So please, consider doing so
ASAP, so the implementation
can also be initiated, as I
think in some cases it may
take long time.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div>2) Some of use may need to
plan ahead, and buy our
flights as early as possible
(too close to the meeting
become extremely expensive
when traveling from abroad)
for the next PPM, so it will
be good to announce firm dates
and location as soon as
possible.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Those that have policy
proposals still under
discussion really need to have
a status summary and specially
understand if the actual
co-chairs will continue as
suggested, so we can restart
our work and encourage
discussions in the community.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Finally, I don’t think we
need a “complete modernization
of the policy manual”, but
instead concentrate in review
the existing discussion and
decide if we need to focus on
any new topic at the time
being.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Tks!</div>
<div><br id="m_-6594560749216283948m_960669498772390331m_-6816761155382936492lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage">
<div>
<div>Saludos,<br>
Jordi<br>
<br>
@jordipalet<br>
<br>
</div>
</div>
<div><br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>El 8 oct 2025, a las
17:02, Seun Ojedeji <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>> escribió:</div>
<br>
<div>
<div dir="auto">
<div>Hello Ben, RPD </div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">It's
good that this
discussion is
starting up. I don't
think anything
revolutionary with
the rpd needs to
happen from the
board level at this
time. The rpd itself
should evolve
through policies and
while the board
indeed has the
ability to write a
policy when required
and in
certain circumstances
i do think that it
isn't necessary at
this time. I would
suggest the
following:</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">1.
Current Co-Chairs
continue in their
role towards the
next Public Policy
Meeting (PPM) and
they should
coordinate on the
things Sami
mentioned with
regards to authors
representing their
proposal and new
proposals as
applicable.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">2. We
usually hold 2 PPMs
every year 1 during
the AIS and another
at the second
AFRINIC pubic
meeting in the year,
it will be good for
the Board to provide
the rpd with some
information on how
soon that can
happen.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">3.
With the recent
board election,
staff does have
significant
experience on
conducting credible
and verifiable
election. The Board
should leverage on
that to organise
election of
Co-Chairs at the
next ppm inline with
the CPM. The 2 seats
should be filled in
a staggered manner</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Regards</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>----<br>
Sent from my mobile<br>
kindly excuse typos
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On
Wed, 8 Oct 2025,
6:00 pm Ben Roberts
- AfriNIC via RPD,
<<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="auto">Sami,
<div>Thanks for
your mail and we
appreciate your
contributions to
PWDG to date and
are happy to see
you are keen to
start it up
again. I am
replying as a
community
member, though I
am also a board
member of
AfriNIC. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I feel that
as we restart
the PWDG
process, what is
absolutely key
is that we get <b>much
more</b>
diversity in
that process. My
question back to
you is to ask,
how do we
invigorate the
process to
involve many
more key experts
in the digital
economy of
Africa?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Kind regards</div>
<div>Ben</div>
<div><br id="m_-6594560749216283948m_960669498772390331m_-6816761155382936492m_-927404568268052237m_-1063682855657608924lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature">
<div dir="ltr">Sent
from my iPhone</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
<blockquote type="cite">On
6 Oct 2025, at
08:08, Sami
Salih via
Board <<a href="mailto:board@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">board@afrinic.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
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<b>Dear PDWG
Community,</b></div>
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<b><br>
</b></div>
<div dir="auto" style="font-family:Aptos,Aptos_MSFontService,-apple-system,Roboto,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">
I hope this
message finds
you well. </div>
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<br>
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<div dir="auto" style="font-family:Aptos,Aptos_MSFontService,-apple-system,Roboto,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">
I would like
to take this
opportunity to
congratulate
you all on the
successful
election of
the AFRINIC
Board and the
resumption of
its proper
functioning.
This milestone
marks an
important step
toward
restoring
stability,
trust, and
continuity in
AFRINIC’s role
as the
Regional
Internet
Registry for
Africa. With
governance now
back on track,
it is the
right moment
to resume the
Policy
Development
Process (PDP)
and address
the policy
gaps that have
accumulated
during the
past three
years of
interruption.</div>
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As you are
aware, over
the past three
years AFRINIC
has gone
through a
period of
limited
functionality,
and the Policy
Development
Process (PDP)
has been
effectively
paused. During
this time, the
global
Internet
number
community has
continued to
evolve, with
significant
policy updates
taking place
across the
other RIRs.
This has
created a
widening gap
between
AFRINIC’s
Consolidated
Policy Manual
(CPM) and
those of our
sister RIRs.</div>
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<br>
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In order to
restore the
momentum of
policy
development in
our region and
to ensure that
AFRINIC’s
policy
environment
remains
relevant,
consistent,
and globally
aligned, I
would like to
highlight the
following
areas where
action is
needed:</div>
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<b>Previous
PDWG Co-Chairs</b></div>
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While their
terms have now
ended, we
request that
the most
recent PDWG
Co-Chairs
prepare a
short report
summarizing
the last set
of policy
proposals that
were under
discussion
before the
process
stalled. We
further
encourage the
original
authors of
those drafts
to resubmit
them for
renewed
community
review, or
alternatively,
invite any
community
member to take
initiative to
re-submit and
champion them.</div>
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<b>AFRINIC
Board</b></div>
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We call on the
Board to
formally
publish a
community call
for
modernizing
the AFRINIC
Policy Manual.
This would
include
identifying
and
prioritizing
areas where
policy
alignment with
other RIRs is
needed (e.g.,
IPv4 transfer
frameworks,
IPv6
allocation
criteria, RPKI
adoption,
Whois/privacy
reforms, and
membership/resource
governance
models). Such
a call would
help set a
clear
direction and
provide
legitimacy to
the process of
catching up
with global
best
practices.</div>
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<b>PDWG
Community</b></div>
<div dir="auto" style="font-family:Aptos,Aptos_MSFontService,-apple-system,Roboto,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">
Most
importantly,
we urge all
community
members to
actively
re-engage in
the PDP by
discussing any
submitted
proposals,
providing
constructive
feedback, and
enriching the
drafts with
insights drawn
from
operational
experience.
The strength
of AFRINIC’s
PDP has always
been rooted in
the diversity
and expertise
of its
community, and
your
participation
will be
crucial in
shaping the
future of
Internet
number
resource
management in
our region.</div>
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This is a
collective
responsibility,
and now is the
right moment
to re-energize
our PDP and
demonstrate
the resilience
of the AFRINIC
community.</div>
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With Regards.</div>
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