<div dir="auto"><div>Hi Jacob, </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Thank you reiterated what I mentioned in my email. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Cheers,</div><div><br></div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">---<br>Raymond Mamattah<br>Accra, Ghana 🇬🇭 </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 10 Oct 2025, 09:12 Jaco Kroon, <<a href="mailto:jaco@uls.co.za">jaco@uls.co.za</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
<div>
<p>Hi Raymond,</p>
<p>Jordi is right in that once policies have been passed to the
board it's not really trivial for them to push it back to the PDP,
and Jordi is also right in that "what gives them the right?"
(which is what I paraphrased from his writing). That's a very
valid question.<br>
<br>
I would personally rather have the board be on the side of
caution, and send everything back to the chairs to revalidate, as
new inputs from the last couple of years may very well result in a
different impact assessment.<br>
<br>
I do also think that going forward we need to have a legal
assessment on all new policies too - even if (in my made up
estimation) the far bulk of policies will not have legal
implications, however, contracts may be impacted by policies.
Specifically, some of the sticky points that came up in
discussion:<br>
<br>
1. Can rule/policy changes be enforced retroactively?<br>
2. If a contract specifically states you're allowed to do xyz,
does that preclude everything else, or is only what is
specifically precluded contractually precluded?</p>
<p>To make this even more sticky, let's say that a new policy takes
away a right you previously had (implied or otherwise, for
example, the topic of whether you're allowed to lease/sell/broker
Afrinic IPv4 space, which is hotly debated with some saying you're
allowed to and some saying you're not - I have my opinions on this
but that's orthogonal to discussion I'm trying to have so please
treat it as an example and not the topic), is that enforceable?</p>
<p>What if a new policy/rule gives you a new right you didn't have
previously?</p>
<p>Clearly there are potentially legal implications here that can
(and plainly has) negatively impacted the company (Afrinic). And
hopefully it's clear that the answers are not clear cut black and
white, even though we'd like them to be.<br>
<br>
I think given the above a pause is in order to allow a
re-assessment of all policies that has been submitted to board for
ratification.<br>
<br>
I would also like to know if there is a list of such policies, and
where it can be found, or if one of the staff members are possibly
in a position to provide such a list, along with the wording
impact on the CPM and the impact assessments that were provided.</p>
<p>This should allow the PDWG to quickly state "we're OK with these
proceeding, we'd like these back" etc ... assuming no one points
out a policy issue with what I'm proposing.<br>
<br>
Kind regards,<br>
Jaco</p>
<div>On 2025/10/10 10:43, Raymond Mamattah
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="auto">
<div>Great discussions!</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">My one cent is that due to the impasse we have
had, which is due partly to AFRINIC's own by-laws/policies, I
think the Board would have to look critically and with
multiple checks before ratifying any policy.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">I also think we should not push for a policy
that's not already passed to be hurriedly ratified. Ideally
such policies should go through "public comments" for critical
checks before being passed on for ratification. </div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Care must be taken so we don't have a
"stone-around our neck to make us easily sink" again. </div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Regards, </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">---<br>
Raymond Mamattah<br>
Accra, Ghana 🇬🇭 </div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 10 Oct 2025, 08:10
Jaco Kroon, <<a href="mailto:jaco@uls.co.za" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">jaco@uls.co.za</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<p>Hi Jordi,</p>
<p>I fully agree with what you say here.</p>
<p>There are however pending disputes regarding legitimacy
of a couple of members who could use the specific policy
to sidestep the issue. The policy needs to be adjusted to
ensure that only members who's not only in good standing,
but who is fully compliant with existing policies and
where there are no ongoing disputes/court cases etc ...
are allowed to transfer out.</p>
<p>Kind regards,<br>
Jaco </p>
<div>On 2025/10/09 17:10, jordi.palet--- via RPD wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite"> I don’t think membership status has
anything to do with PDP.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Ideally PDP is contributed by many members actively
participating, but I think this is not the case (not
only in Afrinic, also in general in other RIRs).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Even if I personally disagree with the transfer
policy that got consensus declared, I think it should be
ratified immediately, because implementation takes many
months (as experienced by other RIRs). In that period,
we still have the chance to improve it, if the community
believe that needs to be done. Then small implementation
changes can often be done very quickly.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>This is the same for any policy that reached
consensus, even for the complete policy manual. It is a
“live law”, the community has the chance to*always*
change or improve things. What it will be useless and
long time consuming is when something that reached
consensus (and had a positive impact analisys) is
returned to the list to re-start again the full process.
Again, if something can be improved, let’s do it based
on the already approved text, not from scracth.</div>
<div><br id="m_-7674558705059236894m_-6594560749216283948lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage">
<div>
<div>Regards,<br>
Jordi<br>
<br>
@jordipalet<br>
<br>
</div>
</div>
<div><br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>El 9 oct 2025, a las 6:42, Jaco Kroon <a href="mailto:jaco@uls.co.za" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><jaco@uls.co.za></a>
escribió:</div>
<br>
<div>
<div>
<p>Hi,<br>
</p>
<p>That policy specifically may be one we may
want to hold off until current membership
status has been sorted out first. Or at least
the policy should be amended to compensate for
what we've learned in the last five years.<br>
<br>
Kind regards,<br>
Jaco<br>
<br>
On 2025/10/09 02:21, Emmanuel Vitus wrote:</p>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">Good to
see the list active again. Hopefully
we can keep the energy focused this
time and not fall back into the long
circular debates we had in the past.</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">
<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">It
could help to have a simple matrix
showing which proposals can be
ratified quickly with little or no
cost and which ones may need more time
or legal review. A timeline would also
be useful to follow progress taking
into account the Board comments and
the steps before ratification.</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">
<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">The
transfer policy should move forward as
soon as possible, my 2cents.</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">
<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">Cheers! </span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">
<br style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">
<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">-
Emmanuel</span></font></div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le jeu. 9
oct. 2025 à 00:18, jordi.palet--- via RPD
<<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
a écrit :<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>Hi Caleb,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The proposals that I refer:</div>
<div>1) Already reached consensus.</div>
<div>2) Already were sent to the board
with the relevant reports.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>So from that perspective, with
“basically administrative” I mean that
there is not “a lot of other” work to
be done in the proposals. Of course,
the board should make sure that the
proposals aren’t against the company,
but the legal implications,
operational feasibility, alignment
with the bylaws, etc., was already
done because all this is part of the
analysis impact that was prepared
*before* declaring consensus. This is
just the way the PDP works, so we
aren’t changing anything.</div>
<div><br id="m_-7674558705059236894m_-6594560749216283948m_960669498772390331lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage">
<div>
<div>Saludos,<br>
Jordi<br>
<br>
@jordipalet<br>
<br>
</div>
</div>
<div><br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>El 8 oct 2025, a las 18:07,
Caleb Ogundele <<a href="mailto:muyiwacaleb@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">muyiwacaleb@gmail.com</a>>
escribió:</div>
<br>
<div>
<div dir="ltr">
<div>Hi Jordi and All,<br>
<br>
I'm happy this list
is becoming more active, and
it is a good thing. <br>
Responding to @Jordi, I must
respectfully differ with
Jordi on point one. While I
share the desire to see
pending proposals move
forward, I don't believe
board ratification should be
characterized as "basically
an administrative task that
should not take too much
time."</div>
<div>
<p>Board ratification is a
critical governance
checkpoint where proposals
are reviewed for legal
implications, operational
feasibility, and alignment
with AFRINIC's mission and
bylaws. Given that we're
emerging from three years
of limited functionality
as a community, I believe
the Community and the
Board deserve adequate
time to properly review
and ratify proposals,
especially those that may
have significant
operational or financial
implications for AFRINIC
and its members. Times
have changed in the last
three years and community
members have different
views on certain policies.
Rushing this process could
lead to oversights that
create problems down the
line. Quality should take
precedence over speed. </p>
</div>
<div><b>Caleb Ogundele</b><br>
<i>Speaking for myself as a
community member<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</i></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed,
Oct 8, 2025 at 6:34 PM
jordi.palet--- via RPD
<<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>HI Seun, all,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Fully agree with
your view. I will add
2 more points:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>1) There are
several policy
proposals that reached
consensus and are
“paused” just waiting
for the board
ratification. I
understand the board
will be very busy, but
the ratification is
basically an
administrative task
that should not take
too much time. So
please, consider doing
so ASAP, so the
implementation can
also be initiated, as
I think in some cases
it may take long time.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div>2) Some of use may
need to plan ahead,
and buy our flights as
early as possible (too
close to the meeting
become extremely
expensive when
traveling from abroad)
for the next PPM, so
it will be good to
announce firm dates
and location as soon
as possible.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Those that have
policy proposals still
under discussion
really need to have a
status summary and
specially understand
if the actual
co-chairs will
continue as suggested,
so we can restart our
work and encourage
discussions in the
community.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Finally, I don’t
think we need a
“complete
modernization of the
policy manual”, but
instead concentrate in
review the existing
discussion and decide
if we need to focus on
any new topic at the
time being.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Tks!</div>
<div><br id="m_-7674558705059236894m_-6594560749216283948m_960669498772390331m_-6816761155382936492lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage">
<div>
<div>Saludos,<br>
Jordi<br>
<br>
@jordipalet<br>
<br>
</div>
</div>
<div><br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>El 8 oct
2025, a las
17:02, Seun
Ojedeji <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>>
escribió:</div>
<br>
<div>
<div dir="auto">
<div>Hello
Ben, RPD </div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">It's
good that this
discussion is
starting up. I
don't think
anything
revolutionary
with the rpd
needs to
happen from
the board
level at this
time. The rpd
itself should
evolve through
policies and
while the
board indeed
has the
ability to
write a policy
when required
and in
certain circumstances
i do think
that it isn't
necessary at
this time. I
would suggest
the following:</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">1.
Current
Co-Chairs
continue in
their role
towards the
next Public
Policy Meeting
(PPM) and they
should
coordinate on
the things
Sami mentioned
with regards
to authors
representing
their proposal
and new
proposals as
applicable.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">2.
We usually
hold 2 PPMs
every year 1
during the AIS
and another at
the second
AFRINIC pubic
meeting in the
year, it will
be good for
the Board to
provide the
rpd with some
information on
how soon that
can happen.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">3.
With the
recent board
election,
staff does
have
significant
experience on
conducting
credible and
verifiable
election. The
Board should
leverage on
that to
organise
election of
Co-Chairs at
the next ppm
inline with
the CPM. The 2
seats should
be filled in a
staggered
manner</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Regards</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>----<br>
Sent from my
mobile<br>
kindly excuse
typos </div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 8 Oct 2025, 6:00 pm Ben Roberts - AfriNIC via
RPD, <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="auto">Sami,
<div>Thanks
for your mail
and we
appreciate
your
contributions
to PWDG to
date and are
happy to see
you are keen
to start it up
again. I am
replying as a
community
member, though
I am also a
board member
of AfriNIC. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I feel
that as we
restart the
PWDG process,
what is
absolutely key
is that we get
<b>much more</b>
diversity in
that process.
My question
back to you is
to ask, how do
we invigorate
the process to
involve many
more key
experts in the
digital
economy of
Africa?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Kind
regards</div>
<div>Ben</div>
<div><br id="m_-7674558705059236894m_-6594560749216283948m_960669498772390331m_-6816761155382936492m_-927404568268052237m_-1063682855657608924lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature">
<div dir="ltr">Sent
from my iPhone</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
<blockquote type="cite">On
6 Oct 2025, at
08:08, Sami
Salih via
Board <<a href="mailto:board@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">board@afrinic.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
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<b>Dear PDWG
Community,</b></div>
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<b><br>
</b></div>
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I hope this
message finds
you well. </div>
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<br>
</div>
<div dir="auto" style="font-family:Aptos,Aptos_MSFontService,-apple-system,Roboto,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">
I would like
to take this
opportunity to
congratulate
you all on the
successful
election of
the AFRINIC
Board and the
resumption of
its proper
functioning.
This milestone
marks an
important step
toward
restoring
stability,
trust, and
continuity in
AFRINIC’s role
as the
Regional
Internet
Registry for
Africa. With
governance now
back on track,
it is the
right moment
to resume the
Policy
Development
Process (PDP)
and address
the policy
gaps that have
accumulated
during the
past three
years of
interruption.</div>
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<br>
</div>
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As you are
aware, over
the past three
years AFRINIC
has gone
through a
period of
limited
functionality,
and the Policy
Development
Process (PDP)
has been
effectively
paused. During
this time, the
global
Internet
number
community has
continued to
evolve, with
significant
policy updates
taking place
across the
other RIRs.
This has
created a
widening gap
between
AFRINIC’s
Consolidated
Policy Manual
(CPM) and
those of our
sister RIRs.</div>
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<br>
</div>
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In order to
restore the
momentum of
policy
development in
our region and
to ensure that
AFRINIC’s
policy
environment
remains
relevant,
consistent,
and globally
aligned, I
would like to
highlight the
following
areas where
action is
needed:</div>
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<b>Previous
PDWG Co-Chairs</b></div>
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While their
terms have now
ended, we
request that
the most
recent PDWG
Co-Chairs
prepare a
short report
summarizing
the last set
of policy
proposals that
were under
discussion
before the
process
stalled. We
further
encourage the
original
authors of
those drafts
to resubmit
them for
renewed
community
review, or
alternatively,
invite any
community
member to take
initiative to
re-submit and
champion them.</div>
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<b>AFRINIC
Board</b></div>
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We call on the
Board to
formally
publish a
community call
for
modernizing
the AFRINIC
Policy Manual.
This would
include
identifying
and
prioritizing
areas where
policy
alignment with
other RIRs is
needed (e.g.,
IPv4 transfer
frameworks,
IPv6
allocation
criteria, RPKI
adoption,
Whois/privacy
reforms, and
membership/resource
governance
models). Such
a call would
help set a
clear
direction and
provide
legitimacy to
the process of
catching up
with global
best
practices.</div>
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<b>PDWG
Community</b></div>
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Most
importantly,
we urge all
community
members to
actively
re-engage in
the PDP by
discussing any
submitted
proposals,
providing
constructive
feedback, and
enriching the
drafts with
insights drawn
from
operational
experience.
The strength
of AFRINIC’s
PDP has always
been rooted in
the diversity
and expertise
of its
community, and
your
participation
will be
crucial in
shaping the
future of
Internet
number
resource
management in
our region.</div>
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</div>
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This is a
collective
responsibility,
and now is the
right moment
to re-energize
our PDP and
demonstrate
the resilience
of the AFRINIC
community.</div>
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