<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><br>Hi Sylvain,<div><br></div><div>All your points written in your reply are known truths. That doesn’t still justify using the same said matrix this time. Obviously, this is not the same case of collaboration as some parties are against going off the laid down procedures one time too many. </div><div><br></div><div>Taiwo<br><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On May 24, 2022, at 10:41, Sylvain Baya <abscoco@gmail.com> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">Dear PDWG,<br><br>Le lundi 23 mai 2022, Owen DeLong via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> a écrit :<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><br><div><br></div><div> </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Hi Owen,</div><div>Thanks for your email, brother!</div><div>...i think you missed few things here :-)</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On May 23, 2022, at 02:25 , Taiwo Oye <<a href="mailto:taiwo.oyewande88@gmail.com" target="_blank">taiwo.oyewande88@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><div><div><br><br></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div> </div><div> </div><div>Hi Taiwo,</div><div><br></div><div>...just for clarification, brother, please consider </div><div>the following points:</div><div><br></div><div> 1• only a PDWG's Chair (the BoD too...) can vary </div><div>the PDP;</div><div><br></div><div> 2• the PDWG was left with no PDWG's Chair after</div><div> the recall of them;</div><div><br></div><div> 3• then it was not possible to really Vary the PDP;</div><div><br></div><div> 4• what the PDWG achieved is a fantastic story of</div><div> collaboration & practicality of rough consensus</div><div> based decision making within our WG;</div><div><br></div><div> 5• the PDWG considered the fact that the PDP </div><div>(Policy Development Process) leaves the selection</div><div> *method*, of replacing a PDWG's Chair, up to the PDWG;</div><div><br></div><div> 6• the PDWG agreed on:</div><div> • a method of selection</div><div> • a list of eligibility criteria</div><div> • etc.</div><div><br></div><div> 7• the PDWG also considered that:</div><div> • it was necessary to have *temporary* PDWG's</div><div> Chairs, before the PPM, to assure the continuity </div><div>of the PDWG's activities;</div><div> • even if not authorized to varying the process,</div><div>it's its responsibility to do whatever is necessary </div><div>to fill the gap needed to reboot the PDWG;</div><div><br></div><div> 8• the BoD refused to appoint a temporary Chair;</div><div><br></div><div> 9• the PDWG's Chairs were selected during the </div><div>PPM through a simplistic method of presentation;</div><div>where the *temporary* PDWG Chair's tenures became fully compliant with the PDP ;-)</div><div><br></div><div> 10• ...</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>This variation gave birth to a brilliant matrix that brought about the selection of the current cochairs.<br><br></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div> </div><div><br></div><div>Interesting to know...however! it's still perfectible, </div><div>though :-)</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><br></div><div>To the best of my knowledge, this brilliant matrix wasn’t further discussed and made policy to stand the test of time. Therefore, the matrix should rightfully be trashed after that particular situation. <br><br><br>This year:<br>There is a vacuum in the sit of one of the cochairs. This is a normal situation, there is a laid down process for handling this situation. Why are we still using the trashed matrix (pardon my French)<br><br><br>I think the right thing is<br><br>- A policy be drafted and discussed to put this matrix to law. (I actually think this matrix is brilliant and will be willing to work with anyone interested to making it law)<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>A small nit… We cannot make law, we are not legislators. We can only make policy for AFRINIC. We are the AFRINIC PDWG.</div><div><br></div><div>That having been said, yes, if we wish to continue using this altered process in variation of section 3 of the CPM, we should codify it through the PDP and make it policy.</div><div><br></div><div>I have no strong opinion on the merits or lack thereof in doing so at this time.</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>- according to guiding laid down procedures. I don’t think this matrix is allowed just yet as a means of selection, election or screening<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Correct… Neither, for that matter, are the so-called consensus criteria which never actually went through the formal PDP to become new rules for screening candidates, nor the use of any sort of nominating committee for the PDWG co-chair position. None of this is covered in section</div><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">[...]</div><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><br></div>Makes it quite clear that this envisioned variances in the process leading to last call for policy proposals and not the electoral process for co-chair selection.<div><br></div></div></blockquote><div> </div><div><br></div><div>...that's your point of view :-)</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div><div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><br></div><div>- therefore. Ithink the NomCom, election committee and the entire afrinic community at large should do the right thing and prepare for a election between the four candidates in Mauritius. <br>Ithink this is necessary to avoid a lawless system, set bad precedence and also avoid legal action against afrinic.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>I think we must also avoid setting bad precedents (the plural of precedent).</div><div><br></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>That's just fairness, imho!</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div><div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>I’m less worried about avoiding AFRINIC getting sued as AFRINIC has become quite adept at attracting lawsuits in any case.</div><div><br></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>...then? :'-(</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Shalom,</div><div>--sb.</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div><div><div><br></div><div>I agree that we should return to conducting ourselves according to the bylaws and CPM and that failing to do so is an act of lawlessness which cannot be tolerated.</div><div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div><br></div></div></div></div></blockquote><br><br>-- <br><p>Best Regards !<br>__<br>baya.sylvain[AT cmNOG DOT cm]|<<a href="https://cmnog.cm/dokuwiki/Structure">https://cmnog.cm/dokuwiki/Structure</a>><br>Subscribe to Mailing List: <<a href="https://lists.cmnog.cm/mailman/listinfo/cmnog/">https://lists.cmnog.cm/mailman/listinfo/cmnog/</a>><br>__<br>#LASAINTEBIBLE|#Romains15:33«Que LE #DIEU de #Paix soit avec vous tous! #Amen!»<br>#MaPrière est que tu naisses de nouveau. #Chrétiennement<br>«Comme une biche soupire après des courants d’eau, ainsi mon âme soupire après TOI, ô DIEU!»(#Psaumes42:2)<br><br></p>
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