<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi Fernando<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 24 May 2022, at 17:21, Fernando Frediani <<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com" class="">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" class="">
<div class=""><p class="">Hello Mike</p><p class="">I don´t know who invented thins thing of ICP-2 not applicable to
any RIRs after its creating as it became a lawless organization
that can do anything they like regardless all the rest of
worldwide Internet community.</p><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></blockquote>No one invented anything …. it is there in writing. Please point to specifics if you disagree.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>I agree with you in concept, but that is not what any of the documentation says.<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><p class="">What is the sense to requiring some quiet strict and strong
principles like Bottom-up self-governance and after the creating
of a RIR it can transform itself in whatever they like contrary to
those principles and trash away the everything that was mandatory
for its creation at 23:59h ? It is like stimulating an anarchic
system and put in danger the interests of a large amount of
people.<br class="">
Maye it is very comfortable for some people in control for some
RIRs to go into that direction as they would feel more comfortable
to do whatever they like unsupervised but it doesn't work like
that.</p><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></blockquote>Valid points - but the document does not provide any form of ongoing compliance report and there is no compliance authority who could revoke recognition.<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><p class="">Bottom-up governance means members and community, actual Internet
actors, potential new actors and its users, not only members and
the balance between a Board which is basically membership and its
PDP which is community is always a wise thing.<br class="">
</p><p class="">Any RIR that eventually doesn't comply with ICP-2 should be
brought up to spot, and discussions should be raised in ICANN up
to it Board as well in all other RIRs in order to stop recognizing
that RIR.</p><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></blockquote>The ICANN Board can only act in terms of the ICANN bylaws. There is nothing in the ICANN bylaws that empowers it to take any action against an RIR “gone rogue”.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>The only action I could see is for the the NRO to stop recognising the RIR. It could alsorequest PTI to not issue any new resources to that RIR [which I don’t think would be valid].</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Mike<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><p class="">Fernando<br class="">
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 24/05/2022 11:51, Mike Silber wrote:<br class="">
</div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:E600F736-8FDA-43C4-B930-2AEC1697B929@gmail.com" class="">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" class="">
Hi Jordi<br class="">
<div class=""><br class="">
<blockquote type="cite" class="">
<div class="">On 24 May 2022, at 16:41, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
<<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" moz-do-not-send="true">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>>
wrote:</div>
<br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
<div class="">
<meta charset="UTF-8" class="">
<div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;
caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: ArialMT;
font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps:
normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal;
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;
white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">
<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:
12pt;" class="" lang="EN-US">Hi Mike,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:
12pt;" class="" lang="EN-US"><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:
12pt;" class="" lang="EN-US">While this is debatable,
the parts of the bylaws that are broken, where already
broken when those bylaws were created in order to
constitute AFRINIC to comply with the ICP-2.</span></div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
I don’t see any basis for debate here. Once an RIR is
established - ICP-2 essentially ceases to have any legal or
compliance relevance and simply has moral guidance.<br class="">
<blockquote type="cite" class="">
<div class="">
<div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;
caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: ArialMT;
font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps:
normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal;
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;
white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">
<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:
12pt;" class="" lang="EN-US"><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:
12pt;" class="" lang="EN-US"><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:
12pt;" class="" lang="EN-US">As a consequence, the
recognition of AFRINIC could be declared invalid,
because *<b class="">was not</b>* complying with “<b class="">3) Bottom-up self-governance structure for
setting local policies”.</b></span></div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
Respectfully, there is no basis for any such declaration of
invalidity? Who would declare it invalid: ICANN or a court? If a
court - in which jurisdiction? If ICANN - based on what
provision of the ICANN by-laws?</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Please give a real example of how such declaration of
invalidity - otherwise this is just FUD.<br class="">
<blockquote type="cite" class="">
<div class="">
<div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;
caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: ArialMT;
font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps:
normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal;
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;
white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">
<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:
12pt;" class="" lang="EN-US"><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:
12pt;" class="" lang="EN-US"><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:
12pt;" class="" lang="EN-US">I will prefer not to go
that direction, but this means that broken thins
should be fixed, not ignored by the Board every time
we come to the same conclusions. I guess you (others)
will agree with me that it is necessary to fix
whatever is found broken?</span></div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
Quite happy to agree that the bylaws can be improved, but it has
nothing to do with ICP-2.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Regards</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Mike</div>
<br class="">
<fieldset class="moz-mime-attachment-header"></fieldset>
<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">_______________________________________________
RPD mailing list
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net">RPD@afrinic.net</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a>
</pre>
</blockquote>
</div>
_______________________________________________<br class="">RPD mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" class="">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br class="">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd<br class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></body></html>