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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi Dewole,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>In my opinion, a full read of the ICP-2, and this is well understood among all the RIRs, will conclude that community is “anyone interested”, “anyone using Internet resources” (and this means also end-users, such as enterprises or individuals, not just operators).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Specifically, in section 3, clearly states “These procedures must be open and transparent, be accessible to all interested parties …”.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Moreover, this is the way we handle all the RIRs PDPs: anyone can be author or participate in discussions.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>So community is *<b>anyone</b>* willing to contribute/participate. This is also the understanding of the CPM/PDP (and again, not just in AFRINIC).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Bylaws have several pieced of contradictive text.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>If bylaws take over *<b>anything</b>* that is under the responsibility of the community from the PDP, then bylaws are broken, because the bylaws/membership/Board can’t take decisions on behalf of the community, unless the community explicitly authorizes that.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>This is even recognized by bylaws 11.4/5 that allow the Board to take policy decisions but they will be only valid if the community endorses it at a PPM.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>This part of the bylaws is also broken because doesn’t clarify “how” the community does that endorsment, and the only “community way” of course, is by means of the PDP.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>El 24/5/22, 17:29, "Dewole Ajao" <<a href="mailto:dewole@forum.org.ng">dewole@forum.org.ng</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Thanks for contributing feedback, Jordi. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>In referring to the ICP-2 https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/new-rirs-criteria-2012-02-25-en which is indeed criteria for establishment of an RIR, you mention "community".<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Portions of the same document clarifies "Community" to mean LIR/ISP Community. In the absence of any other (re)definition of community in the same document, it is would appear that wherever the document says community, it means network operators that can be affected by the RIR's operations/policies.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Can you please clarify what community you are referring to when you talk of "community sovereignty" being encroached on? Do you mean network operators that are yet to become resource members?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Dewole.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='margin-left:35.4pt;text-align:center'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><hr size=0 width="95%" align=center></span></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>"jordi palet" <jordi.palet@consulintel.es><br><b>To: </b>"dewole" <dewole@forum.org.ng>, "rpd" <rpd@afrinic.net><br><b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, May 24, 2022 2:55:35 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [rpd] A question for the PDWG<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Hi Dewole,</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>And as I said many times, and it match your analysis, the bylaws are VERY BROKEN. It can be easily said that 11.3 and 15.3 of bylaws are contradictory, but this is not the only broken point.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>The bylaws are encroaching the community sovereignty in many aspects, which means that the RIR is not complying with the ICP-2.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Some of those points can be addressed by the PDP by authorizing those “mistakes” of the bylaws, however, some aspects must be corrected in the bylaws.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>There is no RIR bylaws doing anything like that.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>If board and membership keeps ignoring that, instead of solving it, then AFRINIC is insisting in endangering the organization.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>What you’re proposing will only increatse to breach of ICP-2. The PDP is in the hands of the community, and that means we can’t accept that only members do certain things, including selecting chairs.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Regards,</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Jordi</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>@jordipalet</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='color:black'>El 24/5/22, 15:40, "Dewole Ajao via RPD" <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;background:white'>Just trying to take a look at the "letter of the law" since we have an </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>interesting proposal to sue the AFRINIC board of directors regarding the process of getting our co-chairs.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I can't find any mention of the "Policy Development Working Group" in the bylaws. Following a reference to the "Policy Development Process" however, one is taken to <span style='background:white'>the Consolidated Policy Manual </span><a href="https://www.afrinic.net/cpm-1-3?view=article&id=1606&lang=en#PDP" target="_blank"><span style='background:white'>https://www.afrinic.net/cpm-1-3?view=article&id=1606&lang=en#PDP</span></a><span style='background:white'> of which the PDP and PDWG are subsets.</span></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>We encounter the PDWG in Section 3.3 of the Consolidated Policy Manual (CPM) and indeed it states that</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>- *Anyone may participate...*</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>- *Two chairs are *chosen*</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Section 3.4 also states that</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>- *Anyone may submit a proposal*</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Going by this, we can infer that the group (which is made up of any interested persons) will select its co-chairs using any mechanism that is based on openness, fairness and transparency - See sections 3.2.1, 3.2.2, and 3.2.3. I do not see any requirement for election; not even for a show of hands. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Moving on to Section 15 of the bylaws (Powers of Directors) for a moment, it appears to me that the directors have the duty to *determine the guidelines for the allocation of address space to members...*.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:70.8pt;text-align:justify;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Roboto;color:#757575'>15.3) Without prejudice to the generality of Articles 15.1 and 15.2 above, the Directors shall be entitled to:</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:106.8pt;text-align:justify;text-indent:-71.4pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#757575'> </span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Roboto;color:#757575'>i.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#757575'> </span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Roboto;color:#757575'>determine the guidelines for the allocation of address space to members in line with the <strong><span style='font-family:Roboto'>member-driven</span></strong> Policy Development Process; </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>From the above and simple English language, one could infer <strong><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>(without prejudice to the rights of any interested person to participate)</span></strong>, that only *members* have the duty to "drive the Policy Development Process".</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Note: members in the context of the bylaws refers to Resource members, Registered members, and Associate members.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>One could then translate this to mean that </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>1. anyone can propose draft policies with the goal of making them policies and have them debated/improved/discarded/accepted</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>2. anyone can contribute to policy proposals that have been received by the group</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>3. since anyone can propose/contribute text, it is the responsibility of resource members to ensure that the PDP produces fair policies via a process that is open and transparent</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>4. since the company must abide by the laws of the land, and operate in line with the objects of the company, it is the responsibility of the Directors to ratify the resulting member-driven policies for implementation. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>So that it does not remain a matter that is open to translation as I have done above, is anyone willing to contribute very simple policy text that puts the process of selecting PDWG leadership in the hands of resource members? </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Maybe that could put an end to room-stacking and other PDP hijacking fears and get us back to the business of serious policy development? </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Putting on my flame-retardant suit,</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Dewole.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'><span style='color:black'>_______________________________________________ RPD mailing list RPD@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span 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