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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 24/05/2022 12:33, Mike Silber wrote:<br>
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<div>Valid points - but the document does not provide any form
of ongoing compliance report and there is no compliance
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It does not need to. <br>
ICANN Board is entitled to recognize the new RIR in the basis of
ICP-2 and as such is entitled to stop recognizing it it the RIR
stops to adhere to the same principles in the document. It is free
to do it as an organization.<br>
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<p class="">Bottom-up governance means members and
community, actual Internet actors, potential new
actors and its users, not only members and the balance
between a Board which is basically membership and its
PDP which is community is always a wise thing.<br
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<p class="">Any RIR that eventually doesn't comply with
ICP-2 should be brought up to spot, and discussions
should be raised in ICANN up to it Board as well in
all other RIRs in order to stop recognizing that RIR.</p>
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The ICANN Board can only act in terms of the ICANN bylaws.
There is nothing in the ICANN bylaws that empowers it to take
any action against an RIR “gone rogue”.</div>
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<div>The only action I could see is for the the NRO to stop
recognising the RIR. It could alsorequest PTI to not issue any
new resources to that RIR [which I don’t think would be
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That's the point I tried to put here. ICANN as an organization may
recognize any other organization it likes or not.<br>
<p>It doesn't have the power to do or change anything inside that
other organization, however it is free to stop recognize that
other organization as a RIR and the Board may do that at any time.
It doesn't need to be in the bylaws, written on stone or anywhere
else. And yes, other organization, as other RIRs and PTI may do
the same, with the last one do it based on an eventual ICANN
decision to stop recognizing a RIR as as valid one.</p>
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<div class="">On 24 May 2022, at 16:41, JORDI
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parts of the bylaws that are broken, where
already broken when those bylaws were
created in order to constitute AFRINIC to
comply with the ICP-2.</span></div>
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I don’t see any basis for debate here. Once an RIR
is established - ICP-2 essentially ceases to have
any legal or compliance relevance and simply has
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recognition of AFRINIC could be declared
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complying with “<b class="">3) Bottom-up
self-governance structure for setting
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Respectfully, there is no basis for any such
declaration of invalidity? Who would declare it
invalid: ICANN or a court? If a court - in which
jurisdiction? If ICANN - based on what provision of
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<div class="">Please give a real example of how such
declaration of invalidity - otherwise this is just
FUD.<br class="">
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lang="EN-US">I will prefer not to go that
direction, but this means that broken
thins should be fixed, not ignored by the
Board every time we come to the same
conclusions. I guess you (others) will
agree with me that it is necessary to fix
whatever is found broken?</span></div>
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Quite happy to agree that the bylaws can be
improved, but it has nothing to do with ICP-2.</div>
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