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    <p>Hi Mike<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 24/05/2022 12:33, Mike Silber wrote:<br>
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        <div>Valid points - but the document does not provide any form
          of ongoing compliance report and there is no compliance
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    It does not need to. <br>
    ICANN Board is entitled to recognize the new RIR in the basis of
    ICP-2 and as such is entitled to stop recognizing it it the RIR
    stops to adhere to the same principles in the document. It is free
    to do it as an organization.<br>
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                  community, actual Internet actors, potential new
                  actors and its users, not only members and the balance
                  between a Board which is basically membership and its
                  PDP which is community is always a wise thing.<br
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                <p class="">Any RIR that eventually doesn't comply with
                  ICP-2 should be brought up to spot, and discussions
                  should be raised in ICANN up to it Board as well in
                  all other RIRs in order to stop recognizing that RIR.</p>
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          The ICANN Board can only act in terms of the ICANN bylaws.
          There is nothing in the ICANN bylaws that empowers it to take
          any action against an RIR “gone rogue”.</div>
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        <div>The only action I could see is for the the NRO to stop
          recognising the RIR. It could alsorequest PTI to not issue any
          new resources to that RIR [which I don’t think would be
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    That's the point I tried to put here. ICANN as an organization may
    recognize any other organization it likes or not.<br>
    <p>It doesn't have the power to do or change anything inside that
      other organization, however it is free to stop recognize that
      other organization as a RIR and the Board may do that at any time.
      It doesn't need to be in the bylaws, written on stone or anywhere
      else. And yes, other organization, as other RIRs and PTI may do
      the same, with the last one do it based on an eventual ICANN
      decision to stop recognizing a RIR as as valid one.</p>
    <p>Fernando<br>
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                <p class="">Fernando<br class="">
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                <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 24/05/2022 11:51, Mike
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                      <div class="">On 24 May 2022, at 16:41, JORDI
                        PALET MARTINEZ <<a
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                              lang="EN-US">Hi Mike,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                              lang="EN-US">While this is debatable, the
                              parts of the bylaws that are broken, where
                              already broken when those bylaws were
                              created in order to constitute AFRINIC to
                              comply with the ICP-2.</span></div>
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                    I don’t see any basis for debate here. Once an RIR
                    is established - ICP-2 essentially ceases to have
                    any legal or compliance relevance and simply has
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                              complying with “<b class="">3) Bottom-up
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                    Respectfully, there is no basis for any such
                    declaration of invalidity? Who would declare it
                    invalid: ICANN or a court? If a court - in which
                    jurisdiction? If ICANN - based on what provision of
                    the ICANN by-laws?</div>
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                  <div class="">Please give a real example of how such
                    declaration of invalidity - otherwise this is just
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                              lang="EN-US">I will prefer not to go that
                              direction, but this means that broken
                              thins should be fixed, not ignored by the
                              Board every time we come to the same
                              conclusions. I guess you (others) will
                              agree with me that it is necessary to fix
                              whatever is found broken?</span></div>
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                    Quite happy to agree that the bylaws can be
                    improved, but it has nothing to do with ICP-2.</div>
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                  <div class="">Regards</div>
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