Dear PDWG,<div>Please see my comments below, inline...<br><br>Le mardi 26 avril 2022, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com">owen@delong.com</a>> a écrit :<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><font face="Arial"><b style="font-weight:normal"><br><div style="line-height:1.38;text-align:justify;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">The eligibility criteria that the community had agreed on for the selection of the current co-chairs in 2021 are as follows:-</span></div>
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<li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type:upper-alpha;font-size:10.5pt;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap" aria-level="1"><div style="line-height:1.38;text-align:justify;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">The intended volunteer must be well conversant with AFRINIC’s consensus-driven ecosystem, including its Policy Development Process; practical understanding of RFC 7282 is required.</span></div></li>
<li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type:upper-alpha;font-size:10.5pt;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap" aria-level="1"><div style="line-height:1.38;text-align:justify;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">The intended volunteer must be accessible and make himself or herself available to follow and moderate all policy proposal discussions on AFRINIC’s rpd mailing list as well as attending AFRINIC Public Policy Meetings whenever they are held (Note: All logistical assistance will be provided by AFRINIC);</span></div></li>
<li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type:upper-alpha;font-size:10.5pt;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap" aria-level="1"><div style="line-height:1.38;text-align:justify;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">The intended volunteer must have at least 3 years of sufficient past and active participative experience on either AFRINIC’s or any other RIR’s policy development mailing list;</span></div></li>
<li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type:upper-alpha;font-size:10.5pt;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap" aria-level="1"><div style="line-height:1.38;text-align:justify;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">The Intended volunteer must have participated in at least two (2) AFRINIC Public Policy Meetings (face-to-face or virtual) in the past three (3) years;</span></div></li>
<li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type:upper-alpha;font-size:10.5pt;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap" aria-level="1"><div style="line-height:1.38;text-align:justify;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">The intended volunteer must have sufficient capability of understanding and interpreting the contents of AFRINIC’s Consolidated Policy Manual;</span></div></li>
<li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type:upper-alpha;font-size:10.5pt;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap" aria-level="1"><div style="line-height:1.38;text-align:justify;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">The intended volunteer must be able to demonstrate good technical knowledge and understanding of the Internet ecosystem. Having 3 to 5 years of Internet Protocol related technical experience would be an advantage</span></div></li>
<li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type:upper-alpha;font-size:10.5pt;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap" aria-level="1"><div style="line-height:1.38;text-align:justify;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">The intended volunteer should not be the author of any of the policy proposals currently under discussion and if need be, or agree to recuse oneself as author/co-author of any policy proposals under discussion, or simply recuse oneself from the position as Co-Chairs pending step down temporarily as co-chair when his or her proposal being is being discussed.</span></div></li>
<li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type:upper-alpha;font-size:10.5pt;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap" aria-level="1"><div style="line-height:1.38;text-align:justify;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">The intended volunteer must either reside within or originate from AFRINIC’s service region;</span></div></li>
<li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type:upper-alpha;font-size:10.5pt;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap" aria-level="1"><div style="line-height:1.38;text-align:justify;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">The intended volunteer must be able to demonstrate excellent presentation and communication skills. </span></div></li>
<li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type:upper-alpha;font-size:10.5pt;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap" aria-level="1"><div style="line-height:1.38;text-align:justify;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">The intended volunteer must be endorsed and/or nominated by a registered contact of an AFRINIC Resource Member</span></div></li>
<li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type:upper-alpha;font-size:10.5pt;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap" aria-level="1"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;text-align:justify;background-color:#ffffff;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:4pt" role="presentation"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">The intended volunteer must not be a staff of AFRINIC or any other Regional Internet Registry (RIR)</span></p></li></ol></b></font></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div><br><div><br></div><div>I agree that the history is worth a read.</div><div><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Hi Owen,</div><div>Thanks for replying, brother!</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div>FWIW, I continue to question the following:</div><div><br></div><div><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>A: Who and how will this be judged in a candidate?</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Do you really think it impossible to check? </div><div>...imhu:</div><div>* who? any group of volunteers designated to do </div><div>the job. </div><div>* how? a simple interview may be sufficient.</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>C: Who decides what constitutes “sufficient” or “active”? What is the definition of these terms in this context?</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Who decides what? a designated vetting team...</div><div>imho, NomCom, for instance, can do that job...even</div><div> the Staff :-/</div><div>...don't you think?</div><div><br></div><div>What's the definition of *sufficient*?</div><div><p dir="ltr">"From Moby Thesaurus II by Grady Ward, 1.0 :</p>
<p dir="ltr"> 77 Moby Thesaurus words for "sufficient":<br>
OK, acceptable, adequacy, adequate, admissible, agreeable,<br>
all right, ample, authoritative, barely sufficient,<br> *better than nothing*, binding, cogent, comfortable, commensurable,<br>
commensurate, common, competence, competent, consistent,<br>
corresponding, decent, due, *enough*, equal to, fair,<br>
fair to middling, fairish, fit, good, good enough, goodish, just,<br>
lawful, legal, legitimate, logical, minimal, minimum, moderate,<br>
not amiss, not bad, not half bad, not so bad, okay, passable,<br>
pleasing, plenteous, plentiful, plenty, plenty good enough,<br>
presentable, *pretty good*, proportionable, proportionate,<br>
respectable, satisfactory, satisfying, self-consistent, solid,<br>
sound, substantial, sufficiency, sufficient for, sufficing,<br> *suitable*, tidy, tolerable, unexceptionable, unexceptional,<br>
unobjectionable, up to, valid, weighty, well-founded,<br>
well-grounded, workmanlike<br>
"<br>
<a href="https://dict.org/bin/Dict#:~:text=From%20Moby%20Thesaurus,well%2Dgrounded%2C%20workmanlike">https://dict.org/bin/Dict#:~:text=From%20Moby%20Thesaurus,well%2Dgrounded%2C%20workmanlike</a></p></div><div> </div><div>Feel free to choose one, please.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>E: Same questions as C.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>...is it not an implementation question?</div><div>Why do you need to know who and how?</div><div><br></div><div>Do you want to amend the Criteria, by proposing a</div><div> clarification in these who & how questions?</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>F: What kind of advantage? Do they get some extra votes added to their tally? What does this criteria mean in practical application?</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>What practical advantage? i consider this criterion </div><div>as one of those which could become really useful </div><div>when it comes to shortening the candidacy list.</div><div><br></div><div>Extra votes? The proposed selection type appears </div><div>to not yet be a kind of election...</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>G: This is a long way of saying “The candidate should recuse himself from any conflicts of interest.” </div><div><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>...i agree :-)</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div><br></div><div>The need to spell this out speaks volumes about</div><div><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>the current situations in AFRINIC.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>...in my humble experience, criterion G recalls me </div><div>more one of the reason why for the first time in the </div><div>history of the PDWG, the two active Chairs were </div><div>recalled. </div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>H: Does this mean that every person in the US of African descent is eligible as PDWG co-chair? </div><div><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Is this criterion not clear enough?</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div><br></div><div>One can make an anthropological argument that all human</div><div><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>kind “originated from” AFRINIC’s service region. </div><div><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>"Bad faith"? or with an evidence... :-/</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div><br></div><div>What is the actual intended meaning here? Let us please plainly say what we mean. </div><div><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Owen, if you have a better wording, please feel free</div><div> to propose your working version...</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div><br></div><div>After all, failure</div><div><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>to do so (and/or failure to follow what we said) is a key factor in multiple current litigations.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>...i'm waiting your proposition, brother :-/</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>I: Please define “excellent” in this context.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://dict.org">dict.org</a>, already, has workable definition...imho, </div><div>implementers should just pick one to use.</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>J: This violates the CPM.</div><div><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>...unless a PDWG's Chair decides to use its power.</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div>Further, calling this person “the intended volunteer” is absurd. </div><div><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>It's a simple choice of wording!</div><div>Qualifying it as "absurd" is not appropriate, imho...</div><div>...the intent was to recruit/select *volunteers*.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div><br></div><div>These are “candidates” for an elected position (or at least nominees). We should refer to them as such (either candidates or nominees).</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>...i could support the change to either nominees or candidates! but don't forget that the intent is not to</div><div> *elect* a PDWG's Chair but to conduct its selection</div><div> by consensus first.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Shalom,</div><div>--sb.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></blockquote></div><br><br>-- <br><p>Best Regards !<br>__<br>baya.sylvain[AT cmNOG DOT cm]|<<a href="https://cmnog.cm/dokuwiki/Structure">https://cmnog.cm/dokuwiki/Structure</a>><br>Subscribe to Mailing List: <<a href="https://lists.cmnog.cm/mailman/listinfo/cmnog/">https://lists.cmnog.cm/mailman/listinfo/cmnog/</a>><br>__<br>#LASAINTEBIBLE|#Romains15:33«Que LE #DIEU de #Paix soit avec vous tous! #Amen!»<br>#MaPrière est que tu naisses de nouveau. #Chrétiennement<br>«Comme une biche soupire après des courants d’eau, ainsi mon âme soupire après TOI, ô DIEU!»(#Psaumes42:2)<br><br></p>