<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Apr 27, 2022, at 02:37 , Sylvain Baya <<a href="mailto:abscoco@gmail.com" class="">abscoco@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">Dear PDWG,<div class="">Please see my comments below, inline...<br class=""><br class="">Le mercredi 27 avril 2022, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" class="">owen@delong.com</a>> a écrit :<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> [...]</div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Ok! Let's move forward, as you strongly disagree </div><div class="">to this pré-selection procedure; with reasonable </div><div class="">arguments...imho, the discussion has reached a <br class=""></div><div class="">point where the PDWG's Chairs should decide what</div><div class=""> they prefer...you know, they have that power [1] </div><div class="">and they are free to use it at this occasion.</div><div class="">__</div><div class="">[1]: "3.6 Varying the Process</div><div class=""><div class="">The process outlined in this document may vary in</div><div class=""> the case of an emergency. Variance is for use </div><div class="">when a one-time waiving of some provision of this </div><div class="">document is required.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>As you point out, varying the process requires an emergency. This is NOT an emergent situation,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks for your reaction, Owen!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">...don't be sure, brother!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">This situation could be easily considered as an </div><div class="">*emergency* by the PDWG's Chairs; simply due to the fact that part of the PDWG is willing to prepare </div><div class="">a successful PDWG's Chair selection/choice ahead</div><div class=""> of the next PPM. Rough Consensus on a call for </div><div class="">Varying the Process is a perfect case of emergency,</div><div class=""> imho :-)</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Willingness by some undefined subset of the group to vary the pretend there’s an emergency is _NOT_ an emergency by any legitimate definition.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>An emergency is defined (in a non-medical context) as:</div><div><br class=""></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><div data-dobid="dfn" style="display: inline;" class="">a serious, unexpected, and often dangerous situation requiring immediate action.</div><div class="vmod"></div><br class="">This situation might border on “serious” by some definitions.</div><div>It is definitely NOT dangerous.</div><div>There is certainly no requirement for immediate action.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>It simply doesn’t meet the definition of an emergency.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Alternatively, if we turn to Merriam Webster for the definition, we get the following two choices:</div><div><br class=""></div><div>1: an unforeseen combination of circumstances or the resulting state that calls for immediate action<br class="">2: an urgent need for assistance or relief</div><div><br class=""></div><div>For definition 1, we fail to meet the requirements as this is NOT unforeseen. There is no state requiring immediate action here.</div><div>For definition 2, again, there is no urgent need for assistance or relief.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>We simply do not have an emergency by any plain text definition of that term.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class="">You may need to start your usual interesting </div><div class="">questionning here :-/</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Q1. Who should determine the emergency state?</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Asked and answered…. Technically, the PDWG co-chairs have this authority, but if they are acting in good faith, surely we can expect them to be bound by the definition of the word emergency?</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class="">Q2. Which criteria to use to *unequivocally* identify </div><div class="">an emergency?</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Would we not expect this to at least start with the dictionary definition of the term “emergency”? Surely if we must bend the dictionary definition to the point of breaking in order to consider this an emergency, we must consider that doing so represents a failure to act in good faith, no?</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class="">Q3. {/feel free to add more here, please!/}</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>I don’t think there’s a need. A plain text reading of the dictionary provides all that is required in order to determine that this is not legitimately an emergency situation and therefore, only two possibilities exist:</div><div><br class=""></div><div>1.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>The co-chairs recognize this and recognize that varying the process as a result is not a good faith implementation of the language in the PDP.</div><div>2.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Once again, AFRINIC ignores the legitimate meaning of its own rules and proceeds as it wishes, making the rules up as we go along.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>While 2 has become somewhat of a tradition, I remain opposed to its continuance and I do point out that this tradition is exactly what has spawned a series of litigation.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Owen</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> so no, the co-chairs aren’t free to vary the process this time. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">...please see above, brother!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">You know, it's just for this time...not sure that, part of the PDWG will want to have a *Pré-Selection* </div><div class="">facility next time. They just have to (i) provide a justification in which they must (ii) indicate which </div><div class="">*emergency* state/situation striked the use of the</div><div class=""> PDWG's Chair power.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Also, only one PDWG's Chair is sufficient to Varying</div><div class=""> the Process.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Yes, last year was emergent due to the constraints imposed by the COVID emergency. We’ve begun to move from Pandemic phase to Endemic phase and we’ve had a year to plan for this situation. As such, no such emergency exists at this time.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Various argumentations exists when it comes to </div><div class="">identifying an emergency...and as said, the PDWG's</div><div class=""> are qualified as allowed by the PDP to justify their</div><div class=""> decision...</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Afterwards, the PDWG will have the opportunity to</div><div class=""> verify the claimed emergency state...but nothing </div><div class="">into the actual version of the PDP can stop the execution of such a powerful decision.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">The decision to vary the process is taken by a <br class=""></div><div class="">Working Group Chair.</div><div class="">There must be an explanation about why the </div><div class="">variance is needed.</div><div class="">The review period, including the Last Call, shall </div><div class="">not be less than four weeks.</div><div class="">If there is consensus, the policy is approved and it </div><div class="">must be presented at the next Public Policy Meeting."</div><div class=""> <a href="https://afrinic.net/policy/manual#:~:text=3.6%C2%A0%20Varying%20the,Public%20Policy%20Meeting" target="_blank" class="">https://afrinic.net/policy/<wbr class="">manual#:~:text=3.6%C2%A0%<wbr class="">20Varying%20the,Public%<wbr class="">20Policy%20Meeting</a>.<br class=""></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>I suppose that technically, if a WG chair decides there’s an emergency, that meets the letter of the law, but the clear intent of the language is that the co-chair is expected to be able to explain himself and justify the emergency (and the resulting variance) </div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">...sure! you got the point, brother :-)</div><div class="">Thanks!</div><div class=""> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">to the satisfaction of the working group.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">That's not seem to be required by the PDP in CPM </div><div class="">(v.1.6) section 3.3.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The PDWG's Chairs are allowed to Varying this:</div><div class=""><p dir="ltr" class="">"The PDWG Chairs are chosen by the AFRINIC community during the Public Policy Meeting and serve staggered two-year terms."<br class="">
<a href="https://afrinic.net/policy/manual#:~:text=The%20PDWG%20Chairs%20are%20chosen%20by%20the%20AFRINIC%20community%20during%20the%20Public%20Policy%20Meeting%20and%20serve%20staggered%20two%2Dyear%20terms." class="">https://afrinic.net/policy/manual#:~:text=The%20PDWG%20Chairs%20are%20chosen%20by%20the%20AFRINIC%20community%20during%20the%20Public%20Policy%20Meeting%20and%20serve%20staggered%20two%2Dyear%20terms.</a></p></div><div class=""> </div><div class="">Shalom,</div><div class="">--sb.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><br class="">-- <br class=""><p class="">Best Regards !<br class="">__<br class="">baya.sylvain[AT cmNOG DOT cm]|<<a href="https://cmnog.cm/dokuwiki/Structure" class="">https://cmnog.cm/dokuwiki/Structure</a>><br class="">Subscribe to Mailing List: <<a href="https://lists.cmnog.cm/mailman/listinfo/cmnog/" class="">https://lists.cmnog.cm/mailman/listinfo/cmnog/</a>><br class="">__<br class="">#LASAINTEBIBLE|#Romains15:33«Que LE #DIEU de #Paix soit avec vous tous! #Amen!»<br class="">#MaPrière est que tu naisses de nouveau. #Chrétiennement<br class="">«Comme une biche soupire après des courants d’eau, ainsi mon âme soupire après TOI, ô DIEU!»(#Psaumes42:2)<br class=""><br class=""></p>
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