<div dir="ltr"><div>You need to look in the mirror. </div><div><br></div><div>Cheers. </div><div><br></div><div>AK</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 2:49 PM Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">You can take the boy from the village but you can not take the village out of the boy. Tim Tufuga.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Noah</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 25 Apr 2022, 16:40 ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE, <<a href="mailto:oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng" target="_blank">oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Dear all, <div><br></div><div><br><div>I have tried as much as possible not to make a comment but it seems I have to comment on this as I would also be making a comment on the other impunity the board leadership have decided to plunge AFRINIC into recently. </div><div>1. This timeline is not acceptable because I don't know how Co-chairs would emerge via the use of the mailing list. It was tried last time what we ended up having are impostors. Two people who claimed they emerged as consensus candidates when some others on the mailing did not agree. I see no consensus in the process. Then I object to criteria J. I see no reason for this. Endorsement from resource members shows some form of affiliation. co-chairs are not expected to be endorsed this way. </div><div><br></div><div>@OWEN: I hope i am not eligible to be a board member yet</div><div>Cheers </div><div><br></div><div>AK</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Apr 24, 2022 at 6:37 AM Owen DeLong via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Apr 23, 2022, at 09:09 , Daniel Yakmut via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="auto">Dear Sylvain,<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">You answered my questions, we can do things when and how we like it. It clearly also shows that we can interpret laws and rules at our whims and caprices.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">As I can see the spirit of the letters of the CPM does not matter anymore. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The world is a jungle indeed. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>With beliefs like this, you are now eligible to be a member of the AFRINIC board.</div><div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">Simply,</div><div dir="auto">Daniel</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 22 Apr 2022, 18:32 Sylvain Baya, <<a href="mailto:abscoco@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">abscoco@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Dear PDWG,<div>Hope this email finds you in good health!</div><div><br></div><div>Please see my comments below, inline...</div><div><br>Le vendredi 22 avril 2022, Daniel I. Yakmut via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> a écrit :<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div><p>Dear All,</p></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div>Hi Daniel,</div><div>Thanks for your email, brother!</div></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><p>Have we amended the process of selecting/nominating/electing
Co-Chairs now? </p><p><br></p></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Please process are you refering to?</div><div><br></div><div>Remember that we had agreed that the procedure </div><div>available to replace PDWG's Chairs is very open; </div><div>and it's not seems to be a bug in the actual version</div><div> (1.6) of the PDP [1].</div><div>__</div><div>[1]: <<a href="https://afrinic.net/policy/manual/amp#PDP-Process" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://afrinic.net/policy/manual/amp#PDP-Process</a>></div><div><br></div><div>As you know, the appropriate words are: *choose*, </div><div>*nominate*, *select*, *selection*; and each of those</div><div> correspond to a particular situation about PDWG </div><div>Chairs' tenure and replacement.</div><div><br></div><div>Of course, in case of a replacement after a full </div><div>mandate, the appropriate term is: "*nominate* </div><div>during the PPM". Is it preventing the PDWG to do </div><div>whatever it see fit before the PPM; in order to </div><div>ensure itself that the *nomination* is successfully </div><div>conducted during the up coming PPM?<br></div><div><br></div><div>That's the question!</div><div><br></div><div><paste_CPM_section_3.3></div><div><h3 style="padding:0.5em;font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-size:1em;background:rgb(110,151,204);color:rgb(51,51,51)">3.3 <a id="gmail-m_4054328792556717577m_-1107675560050872348gmail-m_923431325350192982m_4746811756887310323PDWG" style="text-decoration-line:underline" rel="noreferrer noreferrer"></a>The Policy Development Working Group (PDWG)</h3><p style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-size:14.4px">The Policy Development Working Group (PDWG) discusses the proposals. Anyone may participate via the Internet or in person. PDWG work is carried out through the Resource Policy Discussion mailing list (<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" style="color:rgb(51,51,51);text-decoration-line:underline" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>) and the bi-annual AFRINIC Public Policy Meetings (PPM). Any person, participating either in person or remotely, is considered to be part of the Policy Development Working Group.</p><p style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-size:14.4px">The Policy Development Working Group has two Chairs to perform its administrative functions. The PDWG Chairs are chosen by the AFRINIC community during the Public Policy Meeting and serve staggered two-year terms. The term ends during the first Public Policy Meeting corresponding to the end of the term for which they were appointed. A term may begin or end no sooner than the first day of the Public Policy Meeting and no later than the last day of the Public Policy Meeting as determined by the mutual agreement of the current Chair and the new Chair.</p><p style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-size:14.4px">If the Working Group Chair is unable to serve his or her full term, the Working Group may select a replacement to serve the remainder of the term. If the Working Group Chairs are unable to attend the Public Policy Meeting, the Working Group shall nominate a Chair for the session. Anyone present at the meeting, whether in person or by remote participation, may participate in the selection process for a temporary Chair.</p></div><div></paste_CPM_section_3.3></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><p>Because the proposed activities and timeline looks
extremely strange to me. </p><p><br></p></div></blockquote><div> </div><div>Please, could you elaborate on what you see as </div><div>strange?</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><p><br></p><p>However, if I am missing something,
please can i be referred to the reviewed (new) document that says
we can now select/nominate/elect co-chairs on the mailing list.</p></div></blockquote><div> </div><div><br></div><div>It's clearly not about a formal document/DPP :-/</div><div><br></div><div>But if you want, feel free to propose a DPP to </div><div>clarify what appeares to be void into the running</div><div> version of the CPM.</div><div><br></div><div>...i agree that the *nomination* is done during the</div><div> PPM, per CPM section 3.3, but what's preventing </div><div>the PDWG to consensually prepare its success </div><div>beforehand? It's exactely what's happening right </div><div>now, imho!</div><div>Please, see also early comment above.</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><p>Someone like me is beginning to loose interest</p><p><br></p></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>...i understand your say, and i sympatize, brother; </div><div>but i don't think it's actually the case.</div><div><br></div><div>It's rather a PDP flexibility which allows the PDWG </div><div>to consensually and freely do things that could ameliorate its difficult conditions...</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><p> with us conducting
our activities without a standing guide. </p><p><br></p></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>If you don't like that, still, interesting flexibility, </div><div>imho! then i encourage you to submit a DPP.</div><div> </div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><p>Clarifications on is
important and urgent.</p><p><br>
</p></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>...i hope this clarifies something!</div><div><br></div><div>Also, i thank the Policy Liaison Team for the </div><div>welcomed support provided to the PDWG to </div><div>guarantee a soft transition to a new PDWG's Chair.</div><div><br></div><div>Shalom,</div><div>--sb.</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><p>Simply,</p><p>Daniel<br>
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