<div dir="auto">@Owen,<div dir="auto"><br><div dir="auto">Just out of curiosity, how is it limited to a small number of people in a room?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Are folks banned from attending the open meeting if they can afford to travel to the meeting location or try to join remotely? </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It is in anyway hindering the mass movement of folks who have no connection with PDWG and will just come into the meeting room for voting purposes as it was previously gamed in the last Kampala meeting? <br><br>I mean no offense but trying to understand your angle and perspective. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Can you please shed some light on this logic of yours and how it is connected with voting rights / patterns and reasons for not endorsing a process? </div><div dir="auto">I'm only curious. </div><div dir="auto"><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">Caleb Ogundele<br><br>________________<br><br>Sent with thumbs from a small screen mobile device. <br><br>Pelase exsuce typos adn errosr.</div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Apr 25, 2022, 7:57 PM Owen DeLong via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">Ordinarily, I would encourage this. However, since attendance to the meeting in Mauritius has been severely limited to a small number of people, limiting participation in the election to those in the room would disenfranchise far too many PDWG members to be acceptable.<div><br></div><div>I’m not endorsing the proposed process, but merely pointing out that we have not yet arrived at a point where we can do an in-person in-the-room traditional election.</div><div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div><br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Apr 25, 2022, at 10:15, Daniel I. Yakmut via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:</div><br><div>
<div><p>I am a resource member and definitely I do not agreed with the
timelines been concocted. It is against everything democratic and
openness. But I am not surprise, we are toeing the same path of
our African Political Leaders, messing around with any guiding
document, that supports good governance.</p><p>What I am saying, since there is going to be a PPM in May, we
should do the right thing, conduct an
election/nomination/choosing/imposition or whatever, during the
PPM in Mauritius.</p><p><br>
</p><p>Simply <br>
</p><p>Daniel<br>
</p>
<div>On 25/04/2022 15:17, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>You need to look in the mirror. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Cheers. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>AK</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 2:49
PM Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">noah@neo.co.tz</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="auto">You can take the boy from the village but you
can not take the village out of the boy. Tim Tufuga.
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Noah</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 25 Apr 2022, 16:40
ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE, <<a href="mailto:oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">Dear all,
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
<div>I have tried as much as possible not to make a
comment but it seems I have to comment on this as I
would also be making a comment on the other impunity
the board leadership have decided to plunge AFRINIC
into recently. </div>
<div>1. This timeline is not acceptable because I
don't know how Co-chairs would emerge via the use of
the mailing list. It was tried last time what we
ended up having are impostors. Two people who
claimed they emerged as consensus candidates when
some others on the mailing did not agree. I see no
consensus in the process. Then I object to criteria
J. I see no reason for this. Endorsement from
resource members shows some form of affiliation.
co-chairs are not expected to be endorsed this way. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>@OWEN: I hope i am not eligible to be a board
member yet</div>
<div>Cheers </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>AK</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Apr 24, 2022
at 6:37 AM Owen DeLong via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div><br>
<div><br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>On Apr 23, 2022, at 09:09 , Daniel Yakmut
via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
wrote:</div>
<br>
<div>
<div dir="auto">Dear Sylvain,
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">You answered my questions,
we can do things when and how we like it.
It clearly also shows that we can
interpret laws and rules at our whims and
caprices.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">As I can see the spirit of
the letters of the CPM does not matter
anymore. </div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">The world is a jungle
indeed. </div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
With beliefs like this, you are now eligible to be
a member of the AFRINIC board.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Owen</div>
<div><br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<div dir="auto">
<div dir="auto">Simply,</div>
<div dir="auto">Daniel</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 22
Apr 2022, 18:32 Sylvain Baya, <<a href="mailto:abscoco@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">abscoco@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Dear
PDWG,
<div>Hope this email finds you in good
health!</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Please see my comments below,
inline...</div>
<div><br>
Le vendredi 22 avril 2022, Daniel I.
Yakmut via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
a écrit :<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div><p>Dear All,</p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>Hi Daniel,</div>
<div>Thanks for your email, brother!</div>
</div>
<div> </div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div><p>Have we amended the process of
selecting/nominating/electing
Co-Chairs now? </p><p><br>
</p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Please process are you refering to?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Remember that we had agreed that
the procedure </div>
<div>available to replace PDWG's Chairs
is very open; </div>
<div>and it's not seems to be a bug in
the actual version</div>
<div> (1.6) of the PDP [1].</div>
<div>__</div>
<div>[1]: <<a href="https://afrinic.net/policy/manual/amp#PDP-Process" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://afrinic.net/policy/manual/amp#PDP-Process</a>></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>As you know, the appropriate words
are: *choose*, </div>
<div>*nominate*, *select*, *selection*;
and each of those</div>
<div> correspond to a particular
situation about PDWG </div>
<div>Chairs' tenure and replacement.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Of course, in case of a replacement
after a full </div>
<div>mandate, the appropriate term is:
"*nominate* </div>
<div>during the PPM". Is it preventing
the PDWG to do </div>
<div>whatever it see fit before the PPM;
in order to </div>
<div>ensure itself that the *nomination*
is successfully </div>
<div>conducted during the up coming PPM?<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>That's the question!</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><paste_CPM_section_3.3></div>
<div>
<h3 style="padding:0.5em;font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-size:1em;background:rgb(110,151,204);color:rgb(51,51,51)">3.3 The
Policy Development Working Group
(PDWG)</h3><p style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-size:14.4px">The
Policy Development Working Group
(PDWG) discusses the proposals.
Anyone may participate via the
Internet or in person. PDWG work is
carried out through the Resource
Policy Discussion mailing list (<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" style="color:rgb(51,51,51);text-decoration-line:underline" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>)
and the bi-annual AFRINIC Public
Policy Meetings (PPM). Any person,
participating either in person or
remotely, is considered to be part
of the Policy Development Working
Group.</p><p style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-size:14.4px">The
Policy Development Working Group has
two Chairs to perform its
administrative functions. The PDWG
Chairs are chosen by the AFRINIC
community during the Public Policy
Meeting and serve staggered two-year
terms. The term ends during the
first Public Policy Meeting
corresponding to the end of the term
for which they were appointed. A
term may begin or end no sooner than
the first day of the Public Policy
Meeting and no later than the last
day of the Public Policy Meeting as
determined by the mutual agreement
of the current Chair and the new
Chair.</p><p style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-size:14.4px">If
the Working Group Chair is unable to
serve his or her full term, the
Working Group may select a
replacement to serve the remainder
of the term. If the Working Group
Chairs are unable to attend the
Public Policy Meeting, the Working
Group shall nominate a Chair for the
session. Anyone present at the
meeting, whether in person or by
remote participation, may
participate in the selection process
for a temporary Chair.</p>
</div>
<div></paste_CPM_section_3.3></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> </div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div><p>Because the proposed activities
and timeline looks extremely
strange to me. </p><p><br>
</p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div> </div>
<div>Please, could you elaborate on what
you see as </div>
<div>strange?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div><p><br>
</p><p>However, if I am missing
something, please can i be
referred to the reviewed (new)
document that says we can now
select/nominate/elect co-chairs on
the mailing list.</p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div> </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>It's clearly not about a formal
document/DPP :-/</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>But if you want, feel free to
propose a DPP to </div>
<div>clarify what appeares to be void
into the running</div>
<div> version of the CPM.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>...i agree that the *nomination* is
done during the</div>
<div> PPM, per CPM section 3.3, but
what's preventing </div>
<div>the PDWG to consensually prepare
its success </div>
<div>beforehand? It's exactely what's
happening right </div>
<div>now, imho!</div>
<div>Please, see also early comment
above.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> </div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div><p>Someone like me is beginning to
loose interest</p><p><br>
</p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>...i understand your say, and i
sympatize, brother; </div>
<div>but i don't think it's actually the
case.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>It's rather a PDP flexibility which
allows the PDWG </div>
<div>to consensually and freely do
things that could ameliorate its
difficult conditions...</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> </div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div><p> with us conducting our
activities without a standing
guide. </p><p><br>
</p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If you don't like that, still,
interesting flexibility, </div>
<div>imho! then i encourage you to
submit a DPP.</div>
<div> </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div><p>Clarifications on is important
and urgent.</p><p><br>
</p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>...i hope this clarifies something!</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Also, i thank the Policy Liaison
Team for the </div>
<div>welcomed support provided to the
PDWG to </div>
<div>guarantee a soft transition to a
new PDWG's Chair.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Shalom,</div>
<div>--sb.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> </div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><p>Simply,</p><p>Daniel<br>
</p>
<div>On 21/04/2022 19:08, AFRINIC
Policy Liaison wrote:<br>
</div>
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