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--></style></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi Sylvain,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>See below in-line.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>El 21/4/22, 19:10, "Sylvain Baya" <<a href="mailto:abscoco@gmail.com">abscoco@gmail.com</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Dear PDWG,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Hope this email finds you in good health!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Please see my comments below, inline...<br><br>Le jeudi 21 avril 2022, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'>Hi Chair,<br><br>(copied my original email so the thread can be properly followed)<br><br>Tks for your quick response. However ...<br><br>Is not only an AC question. If they take a decision on the appeals (at least the one on the proposal that expires mid-may) in the next few days, will the Board be able to meet to ratify that proposal (in case the appeal fails)?<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Hi Jordi,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>You are doing a good follow-up, brother. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Thanks for you email.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>If the AC decision will be too late for the Board to ratify the policy proposal before expires, we must know it *in advance* as we must take decisions<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>How the PDWG could know it in advance? Or any one :-/<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>...and which decisions the PDWG must take?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Please clarify, brother.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>[Jordi] Yes, we can know in advance. The AC can say when they have their next meeting to resolve it. Then the Board can say if they can have a meeting to ratify it. Planning is easy when there is willingness to do so.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p></blockquote><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US> </span>before the timings will disallow taking actions before the next PPM (for example, if the option to publish a new version without changes is acceptable <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>OK! but you don't need a permission to do exactly this :-/<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>[Jordi] I don’t think so. If I publish a new version, the staff/co-chairs can interpret that as I’m resigning from the actual consensus. I shall only publish a new version if they agree that this is the way to go in case the Board can’t ratify it once expired … It all depends in lots of timing and CPM interpretation details, and we as a WG, can only know if they (AC, board, staff, co-chairs), speak-up.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Actually, all this happened because the process was paused, against the CPM, when the appeal was first submitted. The CPM doesn’t say anything about “when there is an appeal the last-call can’t be started”. I warned about it, asked several times in the list why it was done this “pause”, and never got a response. It is a very easy way to enter into a never ending dead-end.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>When there is an appeal, the only think can’t happen is a “forceable ratification+implementation” until the appeal is completed. That’s why one of my suggestions to resolve this, is for the Board to actually ratify it with a kind of “waiver” statement that indicates “in case of the AC failing against the consensus decision, the ratification will be invalidated”.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p></blockquote><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'>- which may imply the agreement of the PDWG chairs - we can't miss also the relevant deadline before the PPM).<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Jordi, i understand the timing problem you are <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>raising; but what can be done, right now?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>[Jordi] I’ve proposed several solutions. Without responses from all the involved parties, we can’t decide what is feasible and what not.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>So, we definitively need a *very urgent* response from all the involved parties:<br>- AC<br>- Board<br>- PDWG chairs<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>...i expect no addition from their comments. You <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>know the truth and you know how to fix the issue <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>you discovered...why do you want to set a preceding?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'>- Staff (on the interpretation of the CPM timings on this case)<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>An "interpretation" for what purpose?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>The running version (v1.6) of the CPM is clearly <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>lacking a policy to properly handle the issue you actually described very precisely. There we are... <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>and it's fine that we have had the opportunity to finally discover it. Sure, we are not perfect!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Time to fix, then?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>...a Draft Policy Proposal (DPP) content could be something like the following text:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><DPP_Formulation_for_the_CPM><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Notwithstanding the PDP and the normal lifecycle of a DPP, when the PDWG's Appeal Committee confirms that a DPP is under an appeal; the counter measuring the lifecycle of that DPP is automatically stopped. Its counter is automatically released when the PDWG's AC publishes a final determination about that appeal.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'></DPP_Formulation_for_the_CPM><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>...under CC0!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Shalom,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>--sb.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Regards,<br>Jordi<br>@jordipalet<br><br><br><br>El 21/4/22, 12:39, "<a href="mailto:chair@afrinic.net">chair@afrinic.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:chair@afrinic.net">chair@afrinic.net</a>> escribió:<br><br> Dear Mr Palet,<br><br> The Board of Directors met yesterday and appointed a Policy <br> Development Appeal Committee.<br><br> Updates to the web page is a day to day matter.<br><br> I'll defer to the Policy Development Appeal Committee on the other <br> questions as those questions may fall under its purview.<br><br> Regards,<br> S. 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