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--></style></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word;-webkit-nbsp-mode: space;line-break:after-white-space'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Exactly, not everybody in the WG was happy with this policy, and observations of lack of reciprocity with the major donor RIR, I think it is a very valid objection so not to declare consensus.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>El 7/1/22 21:22, "Owen DeLong" <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com">owen@delong.com</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On Jan 6, 2022, at 04:02 , Murungi Daniel via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Dear Jodi,</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Only ARIN had reservations, other RIRs are okay with the proposal. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Keep in mind that as late comers, AFRINIC was allocated the least share of number resources and other RIRs recognize this as well. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>So I see no issue whatsoever with the AFRINIC region being conservative with the little they were allocated. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>That’s why the working group is happy with this proposal.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>To clarify, some members of the working group are happy with this proposal. Some strenuously oppose this proposal.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>To pretend that you speak for the entire working group or that there is unanimous consent of the entire working group in this regard is<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>quite a strong statement and, IMHO, a statement made in error at best.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Owen<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Daniel</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On Jan 6, 2022, at 1:02 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>I must agree with some of the points raised by AK.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>It has been said many times: we can’t have a non-reciprocal policy.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>We are only creating the path for a war with the other RIRs.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>In this region we always complained about other RIRs rules trying to interfere with our own rules, and we are now doing exactly the same?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>How come can we expect that other RIRs will not change their policies to protect their resources, and ensure that their own transfer policies don’t work anymore with AFRINIC, unless AFRINIC turns into a reciprocal system?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Clearly it is a very wrong decision and will turn against AFRINIC.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Jordi</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>@jordipalet</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>El 5/1/22 21:53, "ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE" <<a href="mailto:oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng">oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Dear PDWG,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> There are a number of issues with this policy that have been raised and I am surprised that only a few were mentioned in this summary.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>I am also surprised that those who were saying reciprocity was an issue with a similar policy are now saying it's no more an issue. I would have gone into the archive but I have better things to do. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Those who drafted this summary are now assuming the role of authors. If you agree that this policy is not reciprocal but it should be implemented with RIRs that it is reciprocal with then can you tell me why other similar policies are not reaching consensus on this same basis?. This is a very dangerous precedence. now policies can be implemented with a group. what a good laugh we are having here.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Please what are we doing differently this time? So editorial changes are now allowed by the same set of people who said no changes is allowed a month before the PPM according to the CPM. Funny enough the same person raising this same issue is one of those who now drafted this so-called summary. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Which version is the version that you are now claiming is reaching a consensus here. Is it the current version before the PPM or the version that the authors have agreed to make editorial changes too. What are these editorial changes? Can you explain them?<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>I hope I get a response to this.</b><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>I see nothing different happing now from what we did. Our template is clearly being used by the same set of people who were shouting then. The only difference is that their will is now being implemented. I knew this was a script all along am not in any way surprised. some people now don't understand what an RIR is. and suddenly we having RIR lessons.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Let us be clear on this, this policy didn't reach a consensus for the simple fact that it is not reciprocal among other reasons. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>I know that all opposition to this policy would be ignored became all these are just a formality so I won't waste my time too much on this. The decisions were made a long time ago and this is just a drama. Same with the appeals it is now the same circle of people typical way of doing things, therefore, I can clearly predict the future. Unfortunately, the chair of appeals is someone I respect and like so much hence I would never comment on anything she has a hand in no matter the temptation I would never directly or indirectly disrespect her.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Congratulation to Noah and friends, I was thinking you wait and pass this policy at the next ppm but it seems time is running out of time and it has to be done now. Fortunately, I only decided to send this mail because I am not expecting those crazy blackmailing responses from my good friend. He now has a court case to answer too and am sure he would finally get to learn some lessons or maybe I should also consult on how I can press a similar charge. let me quote from ...."the truth is definitely stronger. Always stay on the path of truth :-) "<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Let me stop here before I get the puppet card. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>AK<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On Wed, 8 Dec 2021, 16:32 PDWG Chair, <<a href="mailto:vincent@ngundi.me.ke" target="_blank">vincent@ngundi.me.ke</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt;text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Dear PDWG, </span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt;text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>The summary of the elements that led to the PDWG Chairs decision for the policy proposal AFRINIC Number Resources Transfer Policy - Policy Proposal AFPUB-2020-GEN-006-DRAFT02 that was discussed during the AFRINIC-34 Public Policy Meeting is as follows:-</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt;text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Lack of reciprocity with ARIN was raised and addressed by the authors and members of the PDWG, who mentioned that while the proposal is conservative and aims at protecting the resource pool of AFRINIC, AFRINIC can start with the implementation of resource transfers with those RIRs that have confirmed or do not require reciprocity. The authors also clarified that incoming transfers of legacy resources will be covered by the AFRINIC RSA as the recipient will have to become a member.</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt;text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>After deliberation, the PDWG Co-chairs announced that having considered the current version of the policy proposal, the deliberations during the current PPM and the editorial changes that the authors have committed to, they have determined that rough consensus has been reached. The updated version of the policy proposal, with ID AFPUB-2020-GEN-006-DRAFT03, was submitted on 22 Nov 2021 and is available at<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'><a href="https://afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2020-gen-006-d3" target="_blank"><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1155CC'>https://afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2020-gen-006-d3</span></a></span><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span></span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>. This version of the proposal will now move to Last Call and the community can further engage in that period. </span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt;text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>The Last Call starts on 8 December 2021 and will end at 23h59 UTC on 5 January 2022.</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt;text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Regards,</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt;text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Vincent Ngundi & Darwin Da Costa</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt;text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>AFRINIC PDWG CO-CHAIRS</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt'><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>_______________________________________________<br>RPD mailing list<br><a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><a href="http://www.unilorin.edu.ng/" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:14.5pt'>Website</span></a><span style='font-size:14.5pt'>, <a href="http://www.unilorin.edu.ng/index.php/bulletin" target="_blank">Weekly Bulletin</a> <a href="http://uilugportal.unilorin.edu.ng/" target="_blank">UGPortal</a><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="https://uilpgportal.unilorin.edu.ng/" target="_blank">PGPortal</a> <a href="http://www.unilorin.edu.ng/index.php/more-resources/e-notices/6845-how-to-resolve-email-portal-login-problems-for-staff-and-students" target="_blank">HelpDesk</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div style='margin-left:35.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>_______________________________________________ RPD mailing list<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net">RPD@afrinic.net</a><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'><br>**********************************************<br>IPv4 is over<br>Are you ready for the new Internet ?<br></span><a href="http://www.theipv6company.com/"><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'>http://www.theipv6company.com</span></a><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'><br>The IPv6 Company<br><br>This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. 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