<div dir="ltr"><p class="gmail-zw-paragraph" style="margin:0cm"><font face="arial, sans-serif" style="">I really hope the co-chairs reconsider
their decision regarding this proposal. The obvious outcome would be the
other RIRs safeguarding and gatekeeping their unused resources as well, and
that is not the point of why we need a Resource Transfer Policy in place. We’re
going against everything that the Internet stands for, as we are moving more
towards selfishness and making sure RIRs are no longer sharing anything of
their own</font></p><p class="gmail-zw-paragraph" style="margin:0cm"><font face="arial, sans-serif" style=""><br></font></p><p class="gmail-zw-paragraph" style="margin:0cm"><font face="arial, sans-serif">Best regards,</font></p><p class="gmail-zw-paragraph" style="margin:0cm"><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></p><p class="gmail-zw-paragraph" style="margin:0cm"><font face="arial, sans-serif">Mathanya</font></p></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 5 Jan 2022 at 22:05, Serah Eazy Oluwabunmi <<a href="mailto:seraheazy@gmail.com">seraheazy@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>The problem here is not the set of rules, but rather the fact that the provisions of the policy are not in line with its main goal. The Rules, conditions and procedures stated in this proposal for the transfers are limiting IP distribution in every aspect while the goal claims increasing the flow of resources within the region.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Regards</div><div dir="auto">Oluwabunmi.</div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jan 5, 2022, 7:52 PM Fernando Frediani <<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com" target="_blank">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <p>Exactly, that's my view as well.<br>
      People seem to not understand what they want to discuss. Or
      perhaps they just are not willing to be submitted to any kind of
      rules anymore.</p>
    <p>There scarce resources being assigned under rules agreed by this
      forum and people keep believing that once that is done the RIR
      cannot do anything else and they may use those resources in the
      way they wish without having to explain anything to anyone.<br>
      And once they feel any possibility to be questioned for their
      actions they try to confuse that like if the RIR was going into
      questions that are not of their business, but the reality is that
      THEY ARE ! <br>
      If resources are used out of the current rules it is the RIR duty
      to supervise and if necessary revoke such resources. How hard is
      to understand this business and how all this works ?<br>
    </p>
    <p>If one want transfer resources *under the rules* he must render
      accounts to the body who assign and revoke those resources and
      give all necessary information that is required under those rules.<br>
    </p>
    <p>At the end it is always important to remember: those are not your
      resources and will never be. They are assigned to you for your and
      your customers usage while they remain needed and justified.</p>
    <p>Best regards<br>
      Fernando<br>
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    <div>Em 05/01/2022 15:35, Murungi Daniel via
      RPD escreveu:<br>
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      <span style="font-size:14px">Dear Elvis and Cheken,</span>
      <div><span style="font-size:14px"><br>
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      <div><span style="font-size:14px">Do you know
          what an RIR is ? Is AFRINIC an RIR?</span></div>
      <div><span style="font-size:14px"><br>
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      <div><span style="font-size:14px">A quick
          resource to help you understand what RIRs are and what they
          do, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_Internet_registry" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_Internet_registry</a>.</span></div>
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      <div><span style="font-size:14px">Regards,</span></div>
      <div><span style="font-size:14px">Daniel</span></div>
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            <div>On Jan 5, 2022, at 6:20 PM, Ibeanusi Elvis
              <<a href="mailto:ibeanusielvis@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">ibeanusielvis@gmail.com</a>>
              wrote:</div>
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              <div dir="auto">Hello all, </div>
              <div dir="auto"><br>
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              <div dir="auto">There is a reason why this policy
                has been in discussion for a very long time and I
                emphatically believe that the passing of this policy by
                the board is a huge mistake as it directly gives an
                enormous level of authority and bureaucracy to the
                AFRINIC. Therefore meaning that all transfers will
                require some type of approval from the AFRINIC when they
                are just the managers of number resources, and they
                should just be facilitating a smooth transfer.<br>
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              <div dir="auto"><br>
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              <div dir="auto">Regards, </div>
              <div dir="auto">Elvis. </div>
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                <div class="gmail_quote">
                  <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Dec 16, 2021
                    at 5:29 Cheken Chetty <<a href="mailto:rameez.chetty@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">rameez.chetty@gmail.com</a>>
                    wrote:<br>
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                    <div dir="ltr">Good day all,<br>
                      I am against this policy because I feel there is
                      too much power still given to AFRINIC in the
                      transferral of resources. My concern is that
                      AFRINIC may have the tendency to ignore the
                      approval and just impede the transfer process.
                      Clause 3.6 suggests in the end everything must
                      come to AFRINIC's approval when they do not have
                      an authority over the resources.<br>
                      Regards<br>
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                    <br>
                    <div class="gmail_quote">
                      <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Dec 8,
                        2021 at 5:28 PM PDWG Chair <<a href="mailto:vincent@ngundi.me.ke" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">vincent@ngundi.me.ke</a>>
                        wrote:<br>
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                          <p><b id="gmail-m_-6051728003914717805m_5669129160708588288m_3363292438048954661gmail-m_-1101560640550715958docs-internal-guid-c5429948-7fff-0633-e699-de226a57b079" style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-weight:normal"> </b></p>
                          <div style="line-height:1.38;text-align:justify;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><b id="gmail-m_-6051728003914717805m_5669129160708588288m_3363292438048954661gmail-m_-1101560640550715958docs-internal-guid-c5429948-7fff-0633-e699-de226a57b079" style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-weight:normal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent">Dear PDWG, </span></b></div>
                          <b id="gmail-m_-6051728003914717805m_5669129160708588288m_3363292438048954661gmail-m_-1101560640550715958docs-internal-guid-c5429948-7fff-0633-e699-de226a57b079" style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-weight:normal"> <br>
                            <div style="line-height:1.38;text-align:justify;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent">The  summary of the elements that led to the PDWG Chairs decision for the policy  proposal AFRINIC Number Resources Transfer Policy - Policy Proposal AFPUB-2020-GEN-006-DRAFT02 that was discussed during the AFRINIC-34 Public Policy Meeting is as follows:-</span></div>
                            <br>
                            <div style="line-height:1.38;text-align:justify;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent">Lack of reciprocity with ARIN was raised and addressed by the authors and members of the PDWG, who mentioned that while the proposal is conservative and aims at protecting the resource pool of AFRINIC, AFRINIC can start with the implementation of resource transfers with those RIRs that have confirmed or do not require reciprocity. The authors also clarified that incoming transfers of legacy resources will be covered by the AFRINIC RSA as the recipient will have to become a member.</span></div>
                            <br>
                            <div style="line-height:1.38;text-align:justify;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent">After deliberation, the PDWG Co-chairs announced that having considered the current version of the policy proposal, the deliberations during the  current PPM and the editorial changes that the authors have committed to, they have determined that rough consensus has been reached. The updated version of the policy proposal, with ID AFPUB-2020-GEN-006-DRAFT03, was submitted on 22 Nov 2021 and is available at </span><a href="https://afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2020-gen-006-d3" style="text-decoration:none" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-decoration:underline;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(17,85,204)">https://afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2020-gen-006-d3</span></a><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent"> . This version of the proposal   will now move to Last Call and the community can further engage in that period. </span></div>
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                            <div style="line-height:1.38;text-align:justify;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent">The Last Call starts on 8 December 2021 and will end at 23h59 UTC on 5 January 2022.</span></div>
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                            <div style="line-height:1.38;text-align:justify;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent">Regards,</span></div>
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