<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">All<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I am fully in agreement that a viable intra-RIR policy is needed.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">However, can I suggest that before folks feel so free to opinine on matters that are clearly so far outside your area of expertise, you do some research.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">IMO there is certainly no actionable monopoly and possibly no monopoly at all!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">For starters read Section 46 of the Mauritian Competition Act [link here seeing as you could not be bothered to check it before expressing your opinions so forcefully and ignorantly <a href="https://competitioncommission.mu/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/04-Competition-Act-2007_Amended_050213.pdf]" class="">https://competitioncommission.mu/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/04-Competition-Act-2007_Amended_050213.pdf]</a>.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So it may be possible that a “monopoly situation” does exist at AfriNIC [which I do not concede], in which case S 46(2) is operative. I cannot see any basis to argue that AfriNIC: is an enterprise engaging in conduct that -</div><div class="">(a) has the object or effect of preventing, restricting or distorting competition; or</div><div class="">(b) in any other way constitutes exploitation of the monopoly situation.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">But [for Owen and his cheerleaders] feel free to lodge a complaint with the Commission [if you or your employer have not done so already] and let us see what transpires.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The reason that I do not concede that a monopoly situation even exists is that the Act defines “enterprise” as any person, firm, partnership, corporation, company, association or other juridical person, *engaged in commercial activities for gain or reward* [my emphasis]. AfriNIC is a not for profit entity which is responsible for the distribution and management of Internet number resources and seems to fall outside the definition of enterprise.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">We can do an analysis of competition legislation across the AfriNIC service region and I suspect you will find that the "monopoly” of which you or others feel entitled to designate so freely: (i) either does not fall within any applicable definition, or (ii) the conduct about which you complain is not prohibited, or (iii) such conduct subject to an exemption on various grounds. That is certainly the case in those jurisdictions [and regional competition authorities] with which I am familiar. Feel free to get some reasoned legal analysis done on these jurisdictions and others and present same on this list for review.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Otherwise please …. feel free to shout *MONOPOLY* on this list all you like, and then expose your hypocrisy of calling other people “ignorant” and engaging in “obfuscation and sophistry” when it turns out there is no basis in fact or in law for your argument.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I am not here to defend Noah, as I don’t believe his argument is valid either [and he is quite capable of defending himself or presenting more invalid arguments, as he so choses] - but please get your facts and legal principles aligned before exposing your own ignorance on this list.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I am also well aware who was the first to shout *monopoly* like someone shouting “fire” in a crowded theatre when there is none and watching the ensuing chaos. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The unfortunate reality is that they are many smart people on this list and they seem to think that they can combine their intelligence and a bit of reading and grasp concepts that are not familiar to them and then use those concepts in arguments. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Or maybe they have spent too much time reading fantasy fiction, comic books or fantasy movies and they believe they are a mystical warrior wielding a weapon of power [here it is “Monopoly” instead of “Excalibur” that they pulled from a rock and think it will make them king… of the mailing list]. In truth, it is more keyboard warrior and limp noodle.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Mike</div><div class=""> <br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 29 Nov 2021, at 22:17, Owen DeLong via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" class="">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">An intra-RIR transfer policy does not eliminate the monopoly status.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It requires an inter-RIR policy to do that.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Are you really so ignorant or are you merely hoping that your attempt at obfuscation and sophistry would not be revealed for what it is?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 29, 2021, at 12:04 , Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" class="">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">I refer you to section 5.7 of the CPM. It's a fact that AFRINIC has a transfer policy in place albeit Intra-RIR. So where is the absence of the transfer policy the man is talking about?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I suppose it's you who was ignorant of that fact.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Noah</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 10:29 PM Paul Hjul <<a href="mailto:hjul.paul@gmail.com" class="">hjul.paul@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="">You really shouldn't accuse somebody of making a "misrepresentation of facts" if your starting position is one of ignorance. </div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">I don't know whether you are genuinely ignorant or are simply dishonest. </div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">In any case waiting for the written indication of the co-chairs pushing to final call as the working group has quite definitively not agreed. </div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">On which note its probably best to ask in the mailing list when we can expect the co-chairs to put out the last call. <br class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 29 Nov 2021, 20:39 Noah, <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" target="_blank" class="">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 29 Nov 2021, 10:26 Andrew Alston via Members-Discuss, <<a href="mailto:members-discuss@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">members-discuss@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><br class=""></p><p class="MsoNormal">RIR’s are defacto monopolies in the absence of transfer policies – </p></div></div></blockquote></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Your statement above is misrepresentation of facts. </div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">There is an existing Intra-RIR transfer policy where resource members within the AFRINIC service region can transfer anywhere within the region number resources.<br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" style="overflow-wrap: break-word;" class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">once they have transfer policies – they are no longer monopolies since anyone can transfer anywhere.</p></div></div></blockquote></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">In the last PPM, after years of discussions as is common with the policy development process, the working group finally agreed on an Inter-RIR transfer policy which has since reached rough consensus and in last call.</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">So what are you talking about?</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Noah</div></div>
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