<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 29, 2021, at 12:26 , Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" class="">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">Dude, the issue is simple, is there a transfer policy in place or not? Are there transfer policies in other regions or not? </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Intra-RIR or Inter-RIR is a different discussion. And as for the monopoly, the RIR system is what it is, get over it.</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Individual RIRs are monopolies unless they have an inter-RIR transfer policy. It’s that simple.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>There is currently exactly one RIR that still lacks such a policy.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>It’s not a separate discussion.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Owen</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><b class="">Noah</b></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 11:17 PM Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" class="">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;" class="">An intra-RIR transfer policy does not eliminate the monopoly status.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It requires an inter-RIR policy to do that.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Are you really so ignorant or are you merely hoping that your attempt at obfuscation and sophistry would not be revealed for what it is?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 29, 2021, at 12:04 , Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" target="_blank" class="">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">I refer you to section 5.7 of the CPM. It's a fact that AFRINIC has a transfer policy in place albeit Intra-RIR. So where is the absence of the transfer policy the man is talking about?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I suppose it's you who was ignorant of that fact.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Noah</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 10:29 PM Paul Hjul <<a href="mailto:hjul.paul@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">hjul.paul@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="">You really shouldn't accuse somebody of making a "misrepresentation of facts" if your starting position is one of ignorance. </div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">I don't know whether you are genuinely ignorant or are simply dishonest. </div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">In any case waiting for the written indication of the co-chairs pushing to final call as the working group has quite definitively not agreed. </div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">On which note its probably best to ask in the mailing list when we can expect the co-chairs to put out the last call. <br class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 29 Nov 2021, 20:39 Noah, <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" target="_blank" class="">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 29 Nov 2021, 10:26 Andrew Alston via Members-Discuss, <<a href="mailto:members-discuss@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">members-discuss@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><br class=""></p><p class="MsoNormal">RIR’s are defacto monopolies in the absence of transfer policies – </p></div></div></blockquote></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Your statement above is misrepresentation of facts. </div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">There is an existing Intra-RIR transfer policy where resource members within the AFRINIC service region can transfer anywhere within the region number resources.<br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">once they have transfer policies – they are no longer monopolies since anyone can transfer anywhere.</p></div></div></blockquote></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">In the last PPM, after years of discussions as is common with the policy development process, the working group finally agreed on an Inter-RIR transfer policy which has since reached rough consensus and in last call.</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">So what are you talking about?</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Noah</div></div>
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