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<p>Hi Jordi,<br>
<br>
Please also just confirm: My understanding is that this is based
on data that AFRINIC already has, and no additional data will be
required by AFRINIC from members.<br>
<br>
Kind Regards,<br>
Jaco<br>
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On 2021/11/16 11:59, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">Hi Paul,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">Just to clarify something that I already said
before.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">This policy is not saying that the dashboard of
each member is available to the other members. The dashboard
is private to each member with its own data, so no
disclosure of your status of compliance to others.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">If you fail to address a compliance issue,
following section 5, only then the resources subjected to
incompliance will be published so everybody can see that.
This is needed because before starting a reclamation, all
possible means of resolving the situation must be tried,
because it may happen that the resource holder has got a big
trouble and can’t be contacted, customers or other
colleagues may find a way to contact him, etc., etc. So
sufficient chances to resolve the issue must be always
tried.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Regarding
your proposed text, I’m fine with that, but you shall
notice that the previous version has been amended to
ensure that we address the corrections suggested in the
previous version IA. So going back to modify the text will
depend on the new IA. If the staff can check your
suggestion I’m fine, but at the same time, you should
notice that what you’re asking is already done by the RSA.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Let me
tell you one history which explains why we have this text
in the proposal. About 3-4 years ago, it was discovered in
RIPE that several members from an specific country
(Russia), have used falsified documents (passports and
corporate docs, if I recall correctly) and it was not just
once, so it was clear that it was not a mistake. Do you
think that in those cases further oportunities shall be
given to the member? I will personally say not, clearly
they tried to cheat the system and it is a non-trustable
member. He always can restart the process to get the
resources but from the beginning. Well, even in that case,
the RSA already provides sufficient oportunities to the
members to correct the situation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El 16/11/21
9:12, "Paul Hjul" <<a href="mailto:hjul.paul@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">hjul.paul@gmail.com</a>>
escribió:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Regarding: <a
href="https://afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2021-gen-003-d2"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://afrinic.net/policy/proposals/<span
class="gmail-il">2021</span>-<span class="gmail-il">gen</span>-<span
class="gmail-il">003</span>-d2</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><br>
I've noted quite a bit of unease with the proposal stemming
from information disclosures. I fear a lot of mess is
created by conflating two different issues and
circumstances. It is probably easiest to use an analogy of a
bank. When I open a bank account my bank requires certain
information from me and that information must be kept up to
date. When I seek a loan I have to submit more information.
Organizations divulge business plans and very sensitive
commercial information all the time when seeking something
from somebody. In order to apply for resources to be
allocated information needs to be disclosed. Unfortunately
there seems to be a culture of viewing all interactions with
Afrinic as though they are seeking resources and this is
misguided.<br>
<br>
The policy proposal doesn't reinforce the question of what
information ought to be maintained by Afrinic, only that a
dashboard to empower members and to reduce uncertainty of
when the organization will initiate an investigation.<br>
<br>
I am of the view that consensus as to value in building such
a dashboard for use by members AND as a necessary but not
sufficient predicate for Afrinic to take certain steps can
attain rough consensus if the participants in the working
group act in good faith.<br>
<br>
I propose the following slight alteration to sub-article 5:<br>
<br>
Contractual non-compliance, such as unauthorized transfers,
lack of payment or document fraud, once confirmed, will
cause the revocation of the services and member closure,
following the RSA.<br>
<br>
<br>
to read:<br>
<br>
Contractual non-compliance, such as unauthorized transfers,
lack of payment or document fraud, once investigated and
confirmed, may cause the revocation of the services and
member closure in accordance with the RSA. In determining
whether to revoke services the Board shall after afford a
fair hearing and consider all relevant circumstances in good
faith, including whether the revocation is in the best
interests of the members of the organization. <br>
<br>
<br>
Paul Hjul<o:p></o:p></p>
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