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<p>Dear Jordi,</p>
<p>Please see inline.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 16/11/2021 12:48, JORDI PALET
MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:<br>
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<div class="WordSection1"><span
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lang="EN-US">Last but not least, 3.4.2 of the *<b>actual</b>*
PDP indicates “No change can be made to a draft policy within
one week of the meeting”, and this version was submitted,
according to the authors email outside of that time frame, so
it shall not be considered for this PPM. I’ve no problem on
accepting that, however, then, how we can say next time other
authors, of another proposal that they missed the deadline? Is
that acceptable?</span></div>
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<p>Please note that this policy proposal was submitted within the
timelines defined in our PDP.</p>
<p>Regards,<br>
Vincent Ngundi & Darwin Da Costa<br>
AFRINIC PDWG Co-Chairs.<br>
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8:47, "Paul Hjul" <<a href="mailto:hjul.paul@gmail.com"
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escribió:<o:p></o:p></p>
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note that this new version of the policy Proposal - PDP
Working Group and Guidelines from authors Noah Maina and
Alain Aina has been given the ID <span class="gmail-il">AFPUB</span>-<span
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">The
proposal contents are published at: <a
href="https://afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2020-gen-002-d4"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://afrinic.net/policy/proposals/<span
class="gmail-il">2020</span>-<span class="gmail-il">gen</span>-<span
class="gmail-il">002</span>-d4</a> <<a
href="https://afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2020-gen-002-d4"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://afrinic.net/policy/proposals/<span
class="gmail-il">2020</span>-<span class="gmail-il">gen</span>-<span
class="gmail-il">002</span>-d4</a>> <o:p></o:p></p>
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Co-Chairs.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">This policy
proposal is in conflict with the proposal
AFPUB-2021-GEN-002-DRAFT02 and really represents a
competing proposal on several substantive issues. I do not
see how rough consensus (yet alone consensus) can be reached
on both policies. As the latter proposal is considerably
closer to an alignment with the values which should underpin
Afrinic; it has my reservation carrying support.<br>
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The proposition that the CEO serves as the arbiter of
acceptable speech is untenable, moreover the entire approach
of the section is badly framed and crafted:<br>
It speaks of an "appeal" to the CEO and then speaks of
"complainers". This is badly ambiguous and unworkable. If a
person is alleged to violate the code of conduct somebody
complains (who logically can be referred to as the
complainer, but should be called a complainant) to the
co-chairs. The co-chairs then consider the complaint and
make a decision (which decision is taken without affording
audi to the person who against whom the complaint is made)
which if adverse against a person results in posting rights
suspension. That person (who could be called an appellant)
can appeal to the CEO but is he now complaining (a
complainer) about the co-chairs. What of the situation where
the co-chairs decline to act? Do the original complainers
have a right to go to the CEO?<br>
This problem is all the more severe if the CEO is engaged in
discussions on the group and is the complainant alleging
conduct violations. It is worth noting that this exact
scenario is alive at present.<br>
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The proposition that "Actions taken by the board of
directors regarding the appointment process is final and
binding" is wholly untenable and represents an outright
demise of both the consensus approach and the notion that
the Community (rather than the organization implementing the
policies) is responsible for policy development. (This is
one major point of incompatibility with
AFPUB-2021-GEN-002-DRAFT02). Moreover I don't see how it can
possibly survive legal and various states competition
authority scrutiny. I anticipate that the courts will
interpret that as internally final and therefore the point
at which litigation against the organization is required but
I suspect that the intent is to exclude external appeal. The
former will be a risk to the organization and the latter is
wholly unacceptable and is a continuation of the bullshit (<a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Bullshit"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Bullshit</a>)
of Afrinic pretending that it is a statutorily empowered
regulator or governing organization.<br>
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The proposition that the co-chairs ensure of discussions
"that they converge to consensus agreement" is fatally
misconceived. The attainment of rough consensus entails
fairness of process and being heard such that a workable
policy is arrived at which is acceptable if not preferable.
Good faith discussion entails understanding the different
views and approaches. Often it is only through discussion
with a view to understanding that any hope of convergence or
consensus can be reached. The introduction of some manner of
predetermined consensus reaching is a massive opening to
abuse and discord.<br>
Paradoxically (and perhaps reflecting the logical
disconnects in the proposal) I am at a loss as to the
possible benefit of "For each policy proposal, one co-chair
must be assigned as the primary contact" and fear that the
intended effect is that two factions can operate within the
WG with two competing policies each assigned to one co-chair
with each "guiding" the different policies. Perhaps what
the policy intends is that each faction will conceive of a
proposal which is piloted through to a point at which they
must converge at which point the faction which has the
support of the board is able to have "workshopped"
consensus. If this is the intention the policy will only
make such an approach possible with there being much
ugliness in the group.<br>
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I therefore am of the view that the sooner this proposal is
withdrawn the sooner it will be practicable to earnestly
rebuild the PDWG properly. There are other issues with this
proposal as well which I may raise at the meeting but I
thought it apposite to put forward written comments before
the deadline today.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Paul Hjul<o:p></o:p></p>
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