<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">+1<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I hope the co-chairs will note that I did not engage in the exercise of sending a flurry of comments at 10 minutes to deadline in order to test how this interacted with moderation and create a legal case for illegal disenfranchisement. I was very tempted to do so, but in the end I decided it was better to let this one slide.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 16, 2021, at 02:27 , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" class="">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta charset="UTF-8" class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Hi Chairs,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">With all the respect, I think this is wrong and will be illegal in the scope of the PDP.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">I may understand that you have difficulties to follow the email exchange right before and during the meeting, and I’m convinced that you’re doing so in good faith, but the staff should be able to help you following up all he discussions and then you must consider all the when deciding about consensus, together with the PPM discussion.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">What happens if I any author don’t have time this morning to respond to any questions about my proposals? Or what happen if someone is not reading yesterday the list and is too busy to follow your email and he has already allocated some of his personal time to read the proposals this afternoon and because other obligations will not able to participate in the meeting?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Those are just a few examples, of how discriminatory will be to not allow them to actively participate in the discussion.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Of course, unless I’m missing something in the PDP that allows you to take this decision. If that’s the case, could you point to that?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Now, as I said at the beginning, I fully understand the problem of reading emails in the last minute, and this is precisely why, as we did in LACNIC, the PDP Update proposal provides up 2 weeks after the meeting for you to decide on the consensus. It is ridiculous to ask the chairs, for a 5 minutes decision during the meeting and also means wasting 5 minutes during the presentation time of each proposal, which by the way even if it has been the practice in AFRINIC PPMs is not what the 3.4.2 is saying “The Chair(s) determine(s) whether rough consensus has been achieved during the Public Policy Meeting.”.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Regards,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Jordi<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">@jordipalet<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">El 15/11/21 17:24, "PDWG Chair" <<a href="mailto:vincent@ngundi.me.ke" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">vincent@ngundi.me.ke</a>> escribió:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-left: 35.4pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Dear PDWG,</span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-left: 35.4pt; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">We have taken note that discussions on the policy proposals are still happening on the rpd mailing list. We wish to inform you that as we are finalising the summaries of the discussions on the list in preparation of the upcoming PPM 17-18 Nov 2021, we will only take into consideration discussions on the list up to 12h00 UTC on 16 Nov 2021.</span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-left: 35.4pt; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Those who still want to contribute may do so during the Public Policy Meeting.</span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-left: 35.4pt; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">We thank you in advance for your understanding.</span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; 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