<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"></div><div dir="ltr">This is now doubly true in light of the theee IAs published today. Rejecting further list input with a cutoff that precedes those documents is not in keeping with the letter or the spirit of the PDP as written. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Owen</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Nov 16, 2021, at 10:24, Oluwabunmi Egbeyemi <oluwabunmiegbeyemi@gmail.com> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto"><div><div style="font-family:sans-serif" dir="auto">Good day all,<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I would have to agree with Jordi here. This is a disregard to the PDP. Why is there a need to rush the initial discussions? </div><div dir="auto">Although we will have the PPM for tomorrow, who knows what we can come up within a short period of time? And if the comments for tomorrow will be that cohesive for the policies that will be discussed for tomorrow? Just saying.</div>Thank you.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"><br></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif">Warm Regards</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif">Oluwabunmi</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Nov 16, 2021, 11:28 AM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="ES" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div class="m_-2694623076616188347WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">Hi Chairs,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">With all the respect, I think this is wrong and will be illegal in the scope of the PDP.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">I may understand that you have difficulties to follow the email exchange right before and during the meeting, and I’m convinced that you’re doing so in good faith, but the staff should be able to help you following up all he discussions and then you must consider all the when deciding about consensus, together with the PPM discussion.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">What happens if I any author don’t have time this morning to respond to any questions about my proposals? Or what happen if someone is not reading yesterday the list and is too busy to follow your email and he has already allocated some of his personal time to read the proposals this afternoon and because other obligations will not able to participate in the meeting?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">Those are just a few examples, of how discriminatory will be to not allow them to actively participate in the discussion.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">Of course, unless I’m missing something in the PDP that allows you to take this decision. If that’s the case, could you point to that?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">Now, as I said at the beginning, I fully understand the problem of reading emails in the last minute, and this is precisely why, as we did in LACNIC, the PDP Update proposal provides up 2 weeks after the meeting for you to decide on the consensus. It is ridiculous to ask the chairs, for a 5 minutes decision during the meeting and also means wasting 5 minutes during the presentation time of each proposal, which by the way even if it has been the practice in AFRINIC PPMs is not what the 3.4.2 is saying “The Chair(s) determine(s) whether rough consensus has been achieved during the Public Policy Meeting.”.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Jordi<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">@jordipalet<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El 15/11/21 17:24, "PDWG Chair" <<a href="mailto:vincent@ngundi.me.ke" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">vincent@ngundi.me.ke</a>> escribió:<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Dear PDWG,</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;text-align:justify"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">We have taken note that discussions on the policy proposals are still happening on the rpd mailing list. We wish to inform you that as we are finalising the summaries of the discussions on the list in preparation of the upcoming PPM 17-18 Nov 2021, we will only take into consideration discussions on the list up to 12h00 UTC on 16 Nov 2021.</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;text-align:justify"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Those who still want to contribute may do so during the Public Policy Meeting.</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span style="color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;text-align:justify"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">We thank you in advance for your understanding.</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;text-align:justify"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Regards,</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;text-align:justify"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Vincent Ngundi & Darwin Da Costa</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;text-align:justify"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">AFRINIC PDWG Co-Chairs </span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">_______________________________________________ RPD mailing list <a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">RPD@afrinic.net</a> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a> <u></u><u></u></p></div><br>**********************************************<br>
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