<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Nov 15, 2021, at 05:33, Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani@gmail.com> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto">Hi<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">No, I am considering it to be elected even before a request for recall is put.</div><div dir="auto">Election for such thing only has the potential to mess up things a lot and is uncessary.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>How so? If the committee is elected before the co-chairs are identified, how does it mess things up?<div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">The actual method with the Board playing the role in choosing these people to conduct this important task is good and balanced enough for the process.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>This presumes we can depend on the board acting in good faith and not appointing committee members based on their willingness to achieve the board’s desired outcome. Given that there is a clear track record of increasing power grabs (e.g. the restructuring of the appeal committee TOR) in the PDP from the AFRINIC board, this is obviously folly. </div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">As a comparison there are other RIRs like LACNIC where this works similarily and well.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>The LACNIC board has and has earned the trust of the community. </div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">Let's not politicize the process which should be based in merit and not popularity and imune to economical power interference.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Giving control of the process to the board will politicize it. The question is whether we want to politicize it in the control of 9 people or handle it with broader community oversight. </div><div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Regards</div><div dir="auto">Fernando</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 15 Nov 2021, 07:12 Owen DeLong, <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Nov 14, 2021, at 18:18 , Fernando Frediani <<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div>
<div><p>No way a Recall Committee to be elected by the PDWG. This sounds
like a quiet bad scenario and should be avoided given the way PDWG
works.</p></div></div></blockquote>They should be elected to serve terms in case a recall comes up. They should not be elected after the recall process has begun.</div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><p>Recall Committee is a rather critical thing in the structure of
PDWG and may only be called up during difficult and stressful
times. If you add up the possibility to politicize the process
with candidates and an election it a recipe to mess up the process
with all that is involved in a election. Further to that imagine
the possibility of someone economically powerful that is
dissatisfied with some of the decision of the Co-Chair to pay
people to subscribe to list, fake participation and vote for
certain people for a 'ordered' Recall Committee to remove those
'unwanted' Co-Chairs ?<br></p></div></div></blockquote>It sounds like you are assuming an election to take place after the recall process is started. That would, indeed, be obvious folly, but it is not what I am proposing.</div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><p>
Having the Board to nominate the Committee is good enough and
protects these rather difficult and critical situations from
unnecessary politicization and the PDWG from a easier take over. I
believe it is quiet fair to think that the Board has all the
necessary attributes to find and choose the right people to
compose a Recall Committee when it is needed. We have a great
example in the excellent and detailed work a previous Recall
Committee has done and those members were all chosen by the Board.
This shows the process worked well, fairly and in a balanced way
where the Board and Recall Committeed played its role in the
balance the PDWG has to have.</p></div></div></blockquote>I disagree… This is a place where we should not be allowing the bard to put their thumbs on the scale, let alone encouraging it.</div><div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div><br></div><br></div></blockquote></div>
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