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<p>No way a Recall Committee to be elected by the PDWG. This sounds
like a quiet bad scenario and should be avoided given the way PDWG
works.</p>
<p>Recall Committee is a rather critical thing in the structure of
PDWG and may only be called up during difficult and stressful
times. If you add up the possibility to politicize the process
with candidates and an election it a recipe to mess up the process
with all that is involved in a election. Further to that imagine
the possibility of someone economically powerful that is
dissatisfied with some of the decision of the Co-Chair to pay
people to subscribe to list, fake participation and vote for
certain people for a 'ordered' Recall Committee to remove those
'unwanted' Co-Chairs ?<br>
Having the Board to nominate the Committee is good enough and
protects these rather difficult and critical situations from
unnecessary politicization and the PDWG from a easier take over. I
believe it is quiet fair to think that the Board has all the
necessary attributes to find and choose the right people to
compose a Recall Committee when it is needed. We have a great
example in the excellent and detailed work a previous Recall
Committee has done and those members were all chosen by the Board.
This shows the process worked well, fairly and in a balanced way
where the Board and Recall Committeed played its role in the
balance the PDWG has to have.</p>
<p>I consider this proposal unnecessary and has several points that
don't improve things much unfortunately and only make them a lot
more complex which could make the process completely unfeasible.<br>
- Limiting to 1 time during the tenure of the PDWG Chairs doesn't
make much sense because during their term if they commit multiple
and different critical mistakes they should be called up as many
times as necessary given each event. Remember that the Board has
the prerogative to refuse to accept a request to form a Recall
Commitee if it has no substance, consistence or repeats stuff from
previous requests that have been already dismissed.<br>
- Point E allied to point G seem to add a rather complex process
that plasters and prolongs the recall process with the timings
imposed in each event. These challenges are very likely to happen.
This all can be simplified and replaced by maximum time for the
Board to re-consider its decision so the nominated people can
start to do their job without any interference.<br>
- Increasing the numbers of members to 7 is too much. The current
5 members if already good enough. The more people, more difficult
to find good standing people with no conflict of interest for such
important task.<br>
- Subject the report of the committee to the Board is unnecessary
as well. If the Board did its job well in choosing good people for
the Committee it should be enough for their decision to be final.
Having the Board to approve it as well introduced a kind of
automatic appeal process that will only <span class="VIiyi"
lang="en"><span class="JLqJ4b ChMk0b"
data-language-for-alternatives="en"
data-language-to-translate-into="pt" data-phrase-index="0"
data-number-of-phrases="1"><span>prolong that whole process
further.<br>
- A final PDWG from the community to Recall the Co-Chair is
I think that worst thing to add up to this process and
unnecessary. A fair amount of work and checks have been done
previously already and mainly as mentioned above adding a
vote to this process will only contribute to mess up the
whole thing by politicizing the process and open it to
economical powers that have interest in the removal of the
Co-chairs. By making it a 70% majority make it almost
impossible to Recall bad Co-Chairs imposing the community to
have to stay in a really bad scenario for the remainter of
the term despite the detailed work the Recall Committee have
produced.<br>
- Points K and L make it even more complex adding yet
another point to hold the process that should not be overly
complex and impossible to be accomplished.<br>
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<p><span class="VIiyi" lang="en"><span class="JLqJ4b ChMk0b"
data-language-for-alternatives="en"
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data-number-of-phrases="1"><span>Therefore I oppose this
proposal.</span></span></span></p>
<p><span class="VIiyi" lang="en"><span class="JLqJ4b ChMk0b"
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data-number-of-phrases="1"><span>Regards<br>
Fernando</span></span></span><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 14/11/2021 18:58, Cheken Chetty
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<div dir="auto">Good day chairs, all,
<div dir="auto">I believe this policy leaves
majority of the power and authority with the
board. The board getting to appoint the Recall
Committee is counter productive, it disregards
the bottom-up approach of AFRINIC by
disregarding the community participation in the
process.<br>
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2021, 17:44 PDWG Chair, <<a
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id="m_-514959018111956211gmail-m_-3874043831517125756m_-4150525463308162954docs-internal-guid-469b9a21-7fff-f708-54a5-e523ab74bad7"
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-weight:normal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Dear PDWG,
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<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;text-align:justify;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">We are pleased to announce that:-</span></p>
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<li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type:lower-alpha;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><p dir="ltr" role="presentation" style="line-height:1.38;text-align:justify;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">The impact assessment of the policy proposal Co-chair Recall, ID AFPUB-2020-GEN-007-DRAFT01 has been published at <a href="https://afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2020-gen-007-d1#impact" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2020-gen-007-d1#impact</a>.</span></p></li>
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style="line-height:1.38;margin-left:36pt;text-align:justify;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"> </span></p>
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start="2">
<li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type:lower-alpha;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><p dir="ltr" role="presentation" style="line-height:1.38;text-align:justify;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">The summary of the concerns/objections on this proposal is at the link below:-</span></p></li>
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style="line-height:1.38;margin-left:36pt;text-align:justify;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><a
href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qlRXUhVjsuxL9WYDsO8wWwk9MnKh-48kkbM6SiF0Wx8/edit?usp=sharing"
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<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;text-align:justify;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">We request the authors to consider the pending concerns/objections and that an update of their proposal can be submitted until 10th November 2021 at 23h59.</span></p>
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<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;text-align:justify;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">We encourage the PDWG to discuss the merits of the policy proposal by keeping this discussion thread using the following guidelines :-</span></p>
<ol style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px">
<li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type:lower-alpha;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><p dir="ltr" role="presentation" style="line-height:1.38;text-align:justify;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Do you agree with the problem statement and proposal as written?</span></p></li>
<li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type:lower-alpha;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><p dir="ltr" role="presentation" style="line-height:1.38;text-align:justify;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Have you encountered an issue similar to the problem statement in the proposal?</span></p></li>
<li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type:lower-alpha;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><p dir="ltr" role="presentation" style="line-height:1.38;text-align:justify;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Do you have any objections to the proposal as written. If yes, please state the sections and document your objections.</span></p></li>
<li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type:lower-alpha;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><p dir="ltr" role="presentation" style="line-height:1.38;text-align:justify;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Are there any areas in the proposal that are ambiguous? If yes, please provide the changes you would like to propose.</span></p></li>
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