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    <p>Hi Jordi, that's a good example that it is not because it is in
      the bylaws that means it is legit.<br>
      It would be almost like having in the bylaws that it is forbidden
      to rain on sunny Saturdays.</p>
    <p>Fernando</p>
    Em 04/08/2021 05:44, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD escreveu:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">Hi Owen,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">If I create a company to handle you own
            personal assets, without having been empowered by you to do
            so, that invalidates the articles in the bylaws of my
            company.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">Will you agree on that?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">The Internet Resources are from the community,
            not AFRINIC, not any RIR (maybe it is slightly different in
            the case of ARIN, we know, at least for the IPv4 ones). It
            is true that it is a complex legal battle to dispute that.
            That’s why it is easier that the Board, even if they need to
            consult with the membership, recognize the mistake and
            resolve that. One way is ratifying the policy that they
            decided not to.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US">Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US">@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El 4/8/21
              10:21, "Owen DeLong via RPD" <<a
                href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
              escribió:<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <br>
            <o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">On Aug 3,
                2021, at 17:59 , Fernando Frediani <<a
                  href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>>
                wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt">It
                  is truly speechless to see you repeat something you
                  learned in the US and believe that this same model
                  applies every other situations or any RIR equally,
                  especially in a scenario you seem insistently
                  defending lately.<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">I don’t know
            whether it applies in every other situation or not. I do
            know that each of the 5 RIRs is structured as a not for
            profit corporation. Each of these corporations is organized
            under the laws of a particular set of jurisdictions:<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
              class="apple-tab-span">                </span>AFRINIC<span
              class="apple-tab-span">                               </span>Ebene,
            MU<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
              class="apple-tab-span">                </span>APNIC<span
              class="apple-tab-span">                   </span>Sydney,
            NSW, AU<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
              class="apple-tab-span">                </span>ARIN<span
              class="apple-tab-span">                      </span>Chantilly,
            VA, US<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
              class="apple-tab-span">                </span>LACNIC<span
              class="apple-tab-span">                 </span>Montevideo,
            UY<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
              class="apple-tab-span">                </span>RIPE-NCC<span
              class="apple-tab-span">             </span>Amsterdam, NL<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">I don’t know
            the details of the legal framework for RIPE-NCC or LACNIC,
            but I’d be very surprised if they are not the same.<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        </div>
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">However, in
            the case of AFRINIC, APNIC, and ARIN, what I have said is
            true.<br>
            <br>
            <o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt">You
                  simply disregard important stuff that applies and try
                  to fit to your own personal believe or way you think
                  this should work, but it doesn't in practice. <o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">What,
              exactly, is it that you think I have disregarded here? You
              seem to be the one who wishes to disregard the Mauritian
              companies act, the organizations bylaws, the powers of the
              board, and nearly anything else that doesn’t fit into your
              fantasy of how things should be.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt">It
                  is so simplistic and easy to claim Board can apply
                  something based on a void article just because it is
                  written there disregarding totally what is above it
                  and what it means to Internet Governance system.<o:p></o:p></p>
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          </blockquote>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">You are
              claiming that the bylaws are a void article? Interesting.
              What is your basis in law for this? The companies act is
              pretty clear about the need for the company to have (and
              abide by) a constitution (which in AFRINIC’s case is its
              bylaws).<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          </div>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Where is the
              exception that makes this a void article? Under what
              authority does it do so?<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt">And
                  what is even worst is to ignore there is an appeal
                  going on for the policy and try to make Board adopt a
                  policy with that status or even worst commit a illegal
                  action by adopting by itself, in a controversial
                  moment and which will only be of interest to a few
                  members at this rush.<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">You continue
            to claim that it would be an illegal act for the board to
            pass an emergency policy, but you provide no basis for this
            claim.<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt">Who
                  is really interested in all this rush?<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Honestly,
              I’m not sure how many members would prefer to be able to
              move to a less dramatic registry that has a set fo rules
              it actually follows.<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Owen<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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