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<p>Hi Jordi, that's a good example that it is not because it is in
the bylaws that means it is legit.<br>
It would be almost like having in the bylaws that it is forbidden
to rain on sunny Saturdays.</p>
<p>Fernando</p>
Em 04/08/2021 05:44, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD escreveu:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">Hi Owen,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">If I create a company to handle you own
personal assets, without having been empowered by you to do
so, that invalidates the articles in the bylaws of my
company.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">Will you agree on that?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">The Internet Resources are from the community,
not AFRINIC, not any RIR (maybe it is slightly different in
the case of ARIN, we know, at least for the IPv4 ones). It
is true that it is a complex legal battle to dispute that.
That’s why it is easier that the Board, even if they need to
consult with the membership, recognize the mistake and
resolve that. One way is ratifying the policy that they
decided not to.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El 4/8/21
10:21, "Owen DeLong via RPD" <<a
href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
escribió:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">On Aug 3,
2021, at 17:59 , Fernando Frediani <<a
href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt">It
is truly speechless to see you repeat something you
learned in the US and believe that this same model
applies every other situations or any RIR equally,
especially in a scenario you seem insistently
defending lately.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">I don’t know
whether it applies in every other situation or not. I do
know that each of the 5 RIRs is structured as a not for
profit corporation. Each of these corporations is organized
under the laws of a particular set of jurisdictions:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
class="apple-tab-span"> </span>AFRINIC<span
class="apple-tab-span"> </span>Ebene,
MU<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
class="apple-tab-span"> </span>APNIC<span
class="apple-tab-span"> </span>Sydney,
NSW, AU<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
class="apple-tab-span"> </span>ARIN<span
class="apple-tab-span"> </span>Chantilly,
VA, US<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
class="apple-tab-span"> </span>LACNIC<span
class="apple-tab-span"> </span>Montevideo,
UY<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
class="apple-tab-span"> </span>RIPE-NCC<span
class="apple-tab-span"> </span>Amsterdam, NL<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">I don’t know
the details of the legal framework for RIPE-NCC or LACNIC,
but I’d be very surprised if they are not the same.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">However, in
the case of AFRINIC, APNIC, and ARIN, what I have said is
true.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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simply disregard important stuff that applies and try
to fit to your own personal believe or way you think
this should work, but it doesn't in practice. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">What,
exactly, is it that you think I have disregarded here? You
seem to be the one who wishes to disregard the Mauritian
companies act, the organizations bylaws, the powers of the
board, and nearly anything else that doesn’t fit into your
fantasy of how things should be.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt">It
is so simplistic and easy to claim Board can apply
something based on a void article just because it is
written there disregarding totally what is above it
and what it means to Internet Governance system.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">You are
claiming that the bylaws are a void article? Interesting.
What is your basis in law for this? The companies act is
pretty clear about the need for the company to have (and
abide by) a constitution (which in AFRINIC’s case is its
bylaws).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Where is the
exception that makes this a void article? Under what
authority does it do so?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt">And
what is even worst is to ignore there is an appeal
going on for the policy and try to make Board adopt a
policy with that status or even worst commit a illegal
action by adopting by itself, in a controversial
moment and which will only be of interest to a few
members at this rush.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">You continue
to claim that it would be an illegal act for the board to
pass an emergency policy, but you provide no basis for this
claim.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt">Who
is really interested in all this rush?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Honestly,
I’m not sure how many members would prefer to be able to
move to a less dramatic registry that has a set fo rules
it actually follows.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Owen<o:p></o:p></p>
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