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<p>There is one thing that is delaying a Inter-RIR Transfer Policy
to pass and that is the desperate and blind wish of it at all
costs and at any circumstances.</p>
<p>In the past years I have been in favor of RIRs to have it and so
have been in favour at some point here in AfriNic (after Phase 2
started of course) during the discussion of one of the proposals.
Suddenly a group of people that had not been seen before appear
and start to support one of the proposals which was badly managed
by previous Co-Chairs until the point it got a "editorial change"
to add a significant new point that had never been discussed at
the very last minute, something that is only interesting to very
few actors in this business.<br>
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<p>In the face of the recent findings concerning potential
mismanagement of IPv4 resources by some members and the
possibility that a lot of these resources to be definitely
transferred to another RIR with almost no rules for need of
justification and where they can be used for IP leasing or any
other wrong stuff that doesn't bring any advantaged to African
Internet ecosystem I am thinking if we should still be concerned
about having a Inter-RIR Transfer Policy at this moment with all
that in mind.<br>
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<p>People claim that by not having a Inter-RIR Transfer Policy the
region is harmed, but it doesn't seem that at this point. It seems
to me the opposite: that by having a Inter-RIR Transfer Policy the
region will more damaged than benefited with the risk of all these
controversy resources being sent out of the region forever. For
those who still believe it is essential to have such policy as
soon as possible I can say to just conform with Intra-RIR
possibilities and for new members there is still resources
available in AfriNic under Phase 2 for them to start with.</p>
<p>For those who still believe Board can adopt policy by themselves
unilaterally for "urgent and noble reasons" they can't. Community
never gave this mandate for them.<br>
And even for those who believe 11.4 of the Bylaws is valid do you
really believe that rushing in that knowing it would have to be
approved in the next PPM this would really pass ? Hardly !
Therefore that would only be an ad-hoc thing to serve those who
are willing to transfer resources out of AfriNic, if they actually
could because of time to implement it.<br>
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<p>So just forget any Inter-RIR transfer for now.<br>
As mentioned by Ronald F. Guilmette in another discussion:
"Consideration of the Resource Transfer Policy can be and should
be postponed until some later date when people are once again free
to make rational,independent, and fully informed decisions."</p>
<p>Best regards<br>
Fernando<br>
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few days ago.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
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define any policy regarding Internet Resources that
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ASAP the Board decides. The Board MUST also send the
policy (11.5), as a policy proposal (because is the
only way the PDWG works to reach consensus), to the
PDWG for endorsement in the next meeting. If the PPM
doesn’t endorse it, then the Policy will decay, but
whatever happened meanwhile, will be “legal” in terms
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past experience in the other RIRs, implementing such
Inter-RIR policy, takes a minimum of 6 months,
probably even more (it took 12 months in other
RIRs), because there is a need to coordinate all the
RIR systems. AFRINIC can’t “force” other RIRs to
change their own agendas and workflows to address
all the changes “faster”. AFRINIC could be lucky and
because all the other 4 RIRs already passed by this
several times, may be the process is so much
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<div>This won’t actually be the case. AFRINC would be the
remaining bottleneck here. Once the first two RIRs (ARIN and
APNIC IIRC) had a compatible inter-RIR policy, it took almost
no time on the ARIN side for RIPE to be added to the mix.
There was some time taken for RIPE to become ready for both
APNIC and ARIN. Similarly, once LACNIC finally adopted such
policy, the delays were all (to the best of my knowledge) on
the LACNIC side of the equation. APNIC, RIPE, and ARIN were
essentially already prepared to process such transfers with
LACNIC by virtue of having the systems fully ironed out
amongst themselves. IIRC, LACNIC was also able to come on line
relatively quickly because the other three were able to help
them through the process with lessons learned and experiences
gained from their own processes.</div>
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already suggested many times the Board to do that,
when I saw that the consensus was not achievable.
They ignored that. So I don’t think they want to
pass this now, more when there are several proposals
in discussion and could be discussed in a PPM in a
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I suspect you may well be correct here about what the board
wants, but in either case, the fiduciary environment in which
they operate at the moment may well be different from when you
suggested same. Their desire or lack thereof may be subject to
different considerations today.</div>
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Board can meanwhile, take measures so the
implementation of a possible “system” for an
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Actually, I’m not sure this is an action that the board can
take… Such action would be a purely operational matter taken on
by staff. I suppose the board could direct the CEO to direct
staff, but this gets into a level of operational micromanagement
that is not normally considered appropriate for a board. OTOH, I
absolutely agree that Eddy should recognize that such a policy
is eventually going to become inevitable in one form or another
and that responsible preparation in order to be able to expedite
implementation once that becomes reality is not a bad idea.</div>
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that said, I expect that if the Board decides to
draft that proposal/policy, they make sure that
there is a clear statement that ensures that before
any transfer, there is a confirmation of the
resources being transferred are following the
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<div>Because such a requirement wouldn’t enable abuse of process
in any way, right?</div>
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<div>Sure. It’s not like AFRINIC has abused review processes
before, right?</div>
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