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<p>How bad is to see this thing being said that 11.4 allows Board to
adopt by itself any policy they wish at any point without any
prior discussion in PDWG.</p>
<p>This is one of the most wrong things I have been seen here
overtime, simply because this "right" was NEVER gave by Community
to to members to do such thing, even in a urgent or most noble
situation. This simply does not and never existed.</p>
<p>It is not because of some member with a lot of imagination in the
past decided to push that to the bylaws that it is something valid
because it is currently written there.<br>
Resources don't belong to members, as such only community can make
such concession to members and that has NEVER happened before in
AfriNic history.</p>
<p>To those who still believe in that because it is convenient for
them moment, just try to accept and learn to deal with the rules
and work in passing a proper proposal following the due process,
instead to force soemthing artificially in the interest of a few.</p>
<p>Regards<br>
Fernando</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01/08/2021 18:57, JORDI PALET
MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">Hi Noah,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">Your interpretation on this is wrong.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">Read my detailed email a few days ago.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">11.4 Allows the Board to define any policy
regarding Internet Resources that they believe is urgently
needed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">This can be implemented ASAP the Board decides.
The Board MUST also send the policy (11.5), as a policy
proposal (because is the only way the PDWG works to reach
consensus), to the PDWG for endorsement in the next meeting.
If the PPM doesn’t endorse it, then the Policy will decay,
but whatever happened meanwhile, will be “legal” in terms of
the PDP.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">Now the question here is:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">From past experience in the other RIRs,
implementing such Inter-RIR policy, takes a minimum of 6
months, probably even more (it took 12 months in other
RIRs), because there is a need to coordinate all the RIR
systems. AFRINIC can’t “force” other RIRs to change their
own agendas and workflows to address all the changes
“faster”. AFRINIC could be lucky and because all the other
4 RIRs already passed by this several times, may be the
process is so much “adjusted” and fine tunned that it may
be faster.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">I already suggested many times the Board to
do that, when I saw that the consensus was not achievable.
They ignored that. So I don’t think they want to pass this
now, more when there are several proposals in discussion
and could be discussed in a PPM in a couple of months from
now, the AC reconstituted, and the appeals resolved, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">The Board can meanwhile, take measures so the
implementation of a possible “system” for an Inter-RIR
proposal is advanced, in hope that one way or the other a
proposal reach consensus.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">All that said, I expect that if the Board
decides to draft that proposal/policy, they make sure that
there is a clear statement that ensures that before any
transfer, there is a confirmation of the resources being
transferred are following the existing conditions in the
RSA, CPM, etc., otherwise.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"
lang="EN-US">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
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lang="EN-US">Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US">@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">On Mon,
2 Aug 2021, 00:06 Andrew Alston, <<a
href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">This
is incorrect and in line actually with what I
said - <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Nop<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-list:Ignore">1.<span
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Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-family:Roboto;color:#333333">Any
policy adopted by the Board under the
provisions of Article11.4 shall be submitted
to the community for endorsement at the next
public policy meeting.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">They adopt
and submit to the PDWG.<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:Roboto;color:#333333">In
the event that such a policy submitted by
the Board is not endorsed, the said policy
shall not be enforced or implemented
following its non-endorsement; however, any
action taken in terms of the policy prior to
such non-endorsement shall remain valid.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">AFRINIC
Staff will only enforce or implement the adopted policy if
and only if "we the people" aka the powerful PDWG,
endorse the said policy.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">So dude, the
wordings are carefully written.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">1. Board
adopts, PDWG endorse and finally Staff
enforce/implements.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Or<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">2. Board
adopts, PDWG does not endorse, AFRINIC staff CAN NOT
enforce/implement.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Makes sense
Andrew?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">The
board can pass a policy - valid till the next
policy meeting - and if the community doesn’t
like it they can reverse it - in the mean time
those who feel the threat is to great can move
in the intervening period.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Lol there is
no **mean time dude** <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">AFRINIC
staff won't enforce or implement if "we the people" don't
endorse.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">The
board can - and does - have the power to
implement policy valid till the next of wg<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">The board
does not have the power unless "we the people" endorse.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Cheers<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Noah<o:p></o:p></p>
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