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    <p>How bad is to see this thing being said that 11.4 allows Board to
      adopt by itself any policy they wish at any point without any
      prior discussion in PDWG.</p>
    <p>This is one of the most wrong things I have been seen here
      overtime, simply because this "right" was NEVER gave by Community
      to to members to do such thing, even in a urgent or most noble
      situation. This simply does not and never existed.</p>
    <p>It is not because of some member with a lot of imagination in the
      past decided to push that to the bylaws that it is something valid
      because it is currently written there.<br>
      Resources don't belong to members, as such only community can make
      such concession to members and that has NEVER happened before in
      AfriNic history.</p>
    <p>To those who still believe in that because it is convenient for
      them moment, just try to accept and learn to deal with the rules
      and work in passing a proper proposal following the due process,
      instead to force soemthing artificially in the interest of a few.</p>
    <p>Regards<br>
      Fernando</p>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01/08/2021 18:57, JORDI PALET
      MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">Hi Noah,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">Your interpretation on this is wrong.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">Read my detailed email a few days ago.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">11.4 Allows the Board to define any policy
            regarding Internet Resources that they believe is urgently
            needed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">This can be implemented ASAP the Board decides.
            The Board MUST also send the policy (11.5), as a policy
            proposal (because is the only way the PDWG works to reach
            consensus), to the PDWG for endorsement in the next meeting.
            If the PPM doesn’t endorse it, then the Policy will decay,
            but whatever happened meanwhile, will be “legal” in terms of
            the PDP.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">Now the question here is:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US">From past experience in the other RIRs,
              implementing such Inter-RIR policy, takes a minimum of 6
              months, probably even more (it took 12 months in other
              RIRs), because there is a need to coordinate all the RIR
              systems. AFRINIC can’t “force” other RIRs to change their
              own agendas and workflows to address all the changes
              “faster”. AFRINIC could be lucky and because all the other
              4 RIRs already passed by this several times, may be the
              process is so much “adjusted” and fine tunned that it may
              be faster.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
          <li class="MsoListParagraph"
            style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US">I already suggested many times the Board to
              do that, when I saw that the consensus was not achievable.
              They ignored that. So I don’t think they want to pass this
              now, more when there are several proposals in discussion
              and could be discussed in a PPM in a couple of months from
              now, the AC reconstituted, and the appeals resolved, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
          <li class="MsoListParagraph"
            style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US">The Board can meanwhile, take measures so the
              implementation of a possible “system” for an Inter-RIR
              proposal is advanced, in hope that one way or the other a
              proposal reach consensus.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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            style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US">All that said, I expect that if the Board
              decides to draft that proposal/policy, they make sure that
              there is a clear statement that ensures that before any
              transfer, there is a confirmation of the resources being
              transferred are following the existing conditions in the
              RSA, CPM, etc., otherwise.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"
            lang="EN-US">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">On Mon,
                  2 Aug 2021, 00:06 Andrew Alston, <<a
                    href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>>
                  wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">This
                          is incorrect and in line actually with what I
                          said - <o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Nop<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:71.4pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2
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                            style="font-family:Roboto;color:#333333">Any
                            policy adopted by the Board under the
                            provisions of Article11.4 shall be submitted
                            to the community for endorsement at the next
                            public policy meeting.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">They adopt
              and submit to the PDWG.<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                            style="font-family:Roboto;color:#333333">In
                            the event that such a policy submitted by
                            the Board is not endorsed, the said policy
                            shall not be enforced or implemented
                            following its non-endorsement; however, any
                            action taken in terms of the policy prior to
                            such non-endorsement shall remain valid.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">AFRINIC
              Staff will only enforce or implement the adopted policy if
              and only if  "we the people" aka the powerful PDWG,
              endorse the said policy.<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">So dude, the
              wordings are carefully written.<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">1. Board
              adopts,  PDWG endorse and finally Staff
              enforce/implements.<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Or<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">2. Board
              adopts, PDWG does not endorse, AFRINIC staff CAN NOT
              enforce/implement.<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Makes sense
              Andrew?<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">The
                          board can pass a policy - valid till the next
                          policy meeting - and if the community doesn’t
                          like it they can reverse it - in the mean time
                          those who feel the threat is to great can move
                          in the intervening period.<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Lol there is
              no **mean time dude** <o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">AFRINIC
              staff won't enforce or implement if "we the people" don't
              endorse.<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">The
                          board can - and does - have the power to
                          implement policy valid till the next of wg<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">The board
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