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--></style></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi Sylvain,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>(subject changed and moved to RPD and we should follow the discussion there and not copy community, as it belongs to there)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I don’t think is so easy.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>It is very normal, even in open organizations, to keep confidentiality in many documents. It could be even ruled as illegal if you don’t accept that in the CPM, if we ground the CPM under Mauritius law, which is an open question. However, the CPM implementation is done by the AFRINIC as a Mauritius legally constituted organization …<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Remember that a justification for a resource request, can provide insights of a business plan and then you’re opening your business to your competitors.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>So the point is if we can draft something in the line of:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>***<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>(new section 3.3.4 “Publication of Information”)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>IPv4 resources are scarce and close to exhaustion. So, following the principles of openness, transparency and fairness as set above, after “n” years of every allocation/assignment of IPv4 resources, the justification of the request must be published. Towards that, the resource member will be warned 3 months before the publication with a draft of the summary to be published,. It will have up to 1 month, to provide a demonstration of reasons why some of the details can’t be made public (such as patents or similar), that show the uniqueness nature of the services offered which, if disclosed, could damage the resource member business. The staff will have 1 month to decide if that’s the case, and in doubt, they will escalate to the Board that must resolve in a maximum of 1 month.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>This policy shall be implemented in such way that all the resources allocated/assigned for over “n” years, will be chronologically warned in such way that allows the staff to process the possible responses of “non-disclosure” without requiring extra human resources.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>***<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Now, we need to decide if this is good enough, and how many years for the “n”. 2 years maybe?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I will love also to hear from legal counsel/Board and lawyers participating in the community, how they see it …<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I’m not even sure myself, this could work, but we could try.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Dear AfriNIC's Community,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Please see my comments below, inline...<br><br>Le mercredi 28 juillet 2021, Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>> a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><br><br>> On Jul 27, 2021, at 12:30 , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br>> <br>> This will be very simple to resolve (not taking a position in one side or the other because I don't have all the real facts and documents).<br>> <br>> The original justificacion of the request of the resources I don't think it had so many "secret" and "confidential" details. After several years if any "secrets" were there, probably aren't longer something that can't published now.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>How come that INRs management becomes a <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>matter of such secrets?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Please Jordi or any other volunteer, let me know if <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>you are willing to contribute to draft a DPP to <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>remove the possibility of keeping such, apparently, <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>unjustified secrets.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'>We have already agreed that the original justification is no longer relevant and that, like any ISP in business for more than 8 years, things have changed and we have adapted.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Dear Owen,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>...strange! is/was it an adaptation for the good of <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>the AfriNIC's service region?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Please, could you enlightenned us on those <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>interesting details?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>...moving 90% of INRs out of the AfriNIC's service <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>region, without any Inter RIR transfer policy, seems <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>to be your best way to support the grow of this RIR <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>region.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'>> So why not CI, voluntarely publish that information? I don't have any stance on this game, but if I was CI, this will be the best way to probe my points.<br><br>Because it is no longer relevant.<br><br>> Otherwise, I will suggest that AFRINIC asks the court to incorporate that in the proceedings if is not there already, this way, whatever is the result of the case, everybody will know it. At least in the countries I know, the results of the cases are public, as well as the documents that were incorporated during all the process: transparency.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Jordi, maybe it's simply time to stop allowing such <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>secrets.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>In reality, even if a curative submission is required (if the last filed justification to which I do not have access, TBH), I would suggest they simply modify their justification to the following:<br><br>We will use the addresses to number internet connected hosts on our own infrastructure and on our customers’ networks.<br><br>This is a justification which meets the letter of the law of the policy and which does not preclude leasing.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Owen,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>...are you considering the notions of *conservation*<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> and *reservations*?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Knowing the understanding of the current <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>implementers of the CPM, it's clear that one shall <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>need to submit a convincing addressing plan <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>before receiving any INR allocation.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Shalom, <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>--sb.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><br>Owen<br>[...] <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><br><br>-- <br>--<o:p></o:p></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'>Best Regards !<br>__<br>baya.sylvain[AT cmNOG DOT cm]|<<a href="https://cmnog.cm/dokuwiki/Structure">https://cmnog.cm/dokuwiki/Structure</a>><br>Subscribe to Mailing List: <<a href="https://lists.cmnog.cm/mailman/listinfo/cmnog/">https://lists.cmnog.cm/mailman/listinfo/cmnog/</a>><br>__<br>#LASAINTEBIBLE|#Romains15:33«Que LE #DIEU de #Paix soit avec vous tous! #Amen!»<br>#MaPrière est que tu naisses de nouveau. #Chrétiennement<br>«Comme une biche soupire après des courants d’eau, ainsi mon âme soupire après TOI, ô DIEU!»(#Psaumes42:2)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>_______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss <o:p></o:p></p></div><br>**********************************************<br>
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