<div dir="auto"><div>Salut Jaco, nous devons respecter toutes les personnes qui se respecte et contribuent sur cette liste avec respect. Ma réponse dans les lignes ci-dessous. <br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le jeu. 29 juil. 2021 à 22:58, Jaco Kroon <<a href="mailto:jaco@uls.co.za">jaco@uls.co.za</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Hi Arnaud,</p>
On 2021/07/29 23:13, Arnaud AMELINA wrote:<br>
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20:52, Jaco Kroon <<a href="mailto:jaco@uls.co.za" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">jaco@uls.co.za</a>> a écrit :<br>
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<p>Hi Fernando,</p>
<p>I'm going to snip that on which I don't want/need
further clarification, please don't think I'm
blatantly ignoring that (same to other responders who
have responded, thank you all), just looking to keep
emails short and to the point.</p>
On 2021/07/29 18:04, Fernando Frediani wrote:<br>
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that is the case because as it stands now using most
resources out of the region <b>is already forbidden</b>,
therefore if one is using it is already not complying
to the rules and must stop immediately. And even if
one understands otherwise and if it is the same
someone it using ALL resources out of the region it
should not be given too much time to stop that given
what that means to the context.<br>
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<p>I believe that this is rightfully contented, so I'd
like to understand on what exactly from the CPM /
By-laws / RSA you base this statement on?</p>
<p>I could not find anything when I looked at the CPM
(other than the single clause I quoted relating to the
last /8).</p>
<p>My understanding is that any by-laws and the RSA, for
matters relating to resources, should be based firmly
in the CPM. So if this is not well stated in the CPM,
then any such restriction in the by-laws and RSA is
actually a moot point. I'm not a lawyer, so please
take the next statement from that context, I suspect
most lawyers will disagree with this statement because
they are trained to think top-down, not bottom-up.
From a legal framework this is correct, however, from
my understanding, there is a requirement for the legal
entity AFRINIC to comply (within the ambit of the law,
in this case Mauritian law since that's where the
company is founded and registered) with the policies
laid down by the community by way of the CPM. I'm not
sure they have leeway to enforce (w.r.t. resources
specifically) any rules that's not written in policy
inside the CPM.<br>
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<div dir="auto">Je ne suis pas tout à fait d'accord avec toi
Jaco, les règles fontenusles dans le CPM complètent celles du
Bylaw et du RSA dans leur spécificité opérationnelle</div>
<div dir="auto">Mais le principe de base contenu dans le RSA est
claire les ressources sont et doivent être destinés aux
services dans la région Afrique, sauf exception accordé par
Afrinic, nous avons tous lus et signé ça en tant que
membres-ressource toute autre interprétation est tendancieuse
et orientée vers un intérêt autre que de servir l'Afrique. <br>
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<p>You're most welcome to disagree with me (and I thank you for the
respectful way in which you disagree, really appreciated), I did
just recheck both the RSA and the by-laws and cannot find any
restriction on where resources are used, as long as you're in the
business of providing services in the african region - that would
hold if you're even using a single /24 from a /8 on in region, and
the rest can be out of region, you'd still be compliant the way I
read it. If you'd care to enlighten me by providing more specific
points I'm missing, because this is the only one from the by-laws:</p></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto">Un document contractuel doit être considérer dans sa globalité, quand je veut le prendre en compte. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Anisi au 6 Acknowledge alinéa (b) on a:</div><div dir="auto"><b>Having taken cognizance of the preamble of the present agreement</b>, fully and unreservedly subscribe thereto with the clear understanding and acceptance of AFRINIC’s critical role in the stability and the continued evolution of the Internet as agreed by its members and the community in terms of adopted policies.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><b>Préambule</b></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><b>a (vi)</b> empowered to fulfill a stewardship role <b>for those number resources allocated to it</b>, <b>for the use of the African Internet community</b> as constituted by its members collectively;</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">African internet community, not global internet community, not for use everywhere they want. Please any interpretation of this is out of scope. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Providing services outside Africa is in breach of this Agreement which is for to provide services in Africa. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>
6) MEMBERSHIP<br>
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6.1) Subject to the other provisions of this Article, membership
shall be open to:<br>
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<li>any Person who is geographically based within, and providing
services in the African region, and who is engaged in the use
of, or business of providing, open system protocol network
services; or</li>
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<p>Nothing in the RSA that's relevant that I can find. If I'm just
missing it, please do point me at it.<br>
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<p>Kind Regards,<br>
Jaco</p>
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