<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Arnaud,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">This ad hominem rant is entirely outside of the CoC of this list, nonetheless, I will propose the following:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Please provide 3 examples of libel or slander I have committed.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Please provide 3 examples of false statements that I have made (other than by accident) and not retracted when I became aware of their falsehood.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Please provide any example of character assassination or actual malice.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 27, 2021, at 02:43 , Mirriam <<a href="mailto:mirriamlauren@yahoo.com" class="">mirriamlauren@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class=""><div class="ydpaf8fc0b3yahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div class=""></div>
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<pre class="ydp63585633western"><font face="Times New Roman, serif" class=""><font style="font-size: 12pt" size="3" class="">Hello Arnaud,</font></font>
<font face="Times New Roman, serif" class=""><font style="font-size: 12pt" size="3" class=""><span lang="en-US" class="">That's exactly how I see it,</span></font></font>
<font face="Times New Roman, serif" class=""><font style="font-size: 12pt" size="3" class=""><span lang="en-US" class="">[Translation of your email below]</span></font></font>
<font face="Times New Roman, serif" class=""><font style="font-size: 12pt" size="3" class=""><span lang="en-US" class=""><i class="">I<font style="font-size: 13pt" size="3" class=""> will try to answer all your propaganda messages broadcast on the lists as best as I can by summarizing them in a few words.</font></i></span></font></font></pre><pre class="ydp63585633western" style="text-align: left"><font face="Times New Roman, serif" class=""><font style="font-size: 13pt" size="3" class=""><i class="">Denial, defamation, insults, disinformation ...</i></font></font>
<font face="Times New Roman, serif" class=""><font style="font-size: 13pt" size="3" class=""><span lang="en-US" class=""><i class="">Denial: because you spend your time denying all the evidence presented by the different statements made by the contributors on these lists, who have more understanding than you in the field, or you are denying it on purpose.</i></span></font></font>
<font face="Times New Roman, serif" class=""><font style="font-size: 13pt" size="3" class=""><span lang="en-US" class=""><i class="">Defamation: if my understanding of this term is correct, you are lying on behalf of the Board, which I am sure based on the advice of its lawyers to make decisions, it is an old strategy known to shock public opinion members of the community in order to oppose them to their Board, that will fail, not to say that, until then, you have failed.</i></span></font></font>
<font face="Times New Roman, serif" class=""><font style="font-size: 13pt" size="3" class=""><span lang="en-US" class=""><i class="">Outrage: you spend your time denigrating the leaders and staff of Afrinic all this to shock the public, old strategy too, that's why I invited you to respect them because it is the community that has them designated to defend their interests, it is not because your client has problems that you are going to attack them in this way.</i></span></font></font>
<font face="Times New Roman, serif" class=""><font style="font-size: 13pt" size="3" class=""><span lang="en-US" class=""><i class="">Misinformation: you also use the principle of fake news to convey your opinion, your understanding of things as a reality, that too is known, it is an old strategy used by the colonists against the natives. You make believe that the resources were not claimed as property by your client then all I see is the opposite. If he understood that these resources were not his property, he would not have taken the risk of selling them outside the Africa region. If he intended to use them in Africa he would have taken an ASN, which is not his case, to camouflage his package.</i></span></font></font>
<font face="Times New Roman, serif" class=""><font style="font-size: 13pt" size="3" class=""><span lang="en-US" class=""><i class="">You have an often very erroneous interpretation of the realities of the African ecosystem and of our texts that you think you can manipulate as you wish, if it is on the basis of your reasoning that your clients take legal action I am afraid that 'they will go straight into the wall is my personal opinion.</i></span></font></font>
<font face="Times New Roman, serif" class=""><font style="font-size: 13pt" size="3" class=""><span lang="en-US" class=""><i class="">So my dear Owen, don't think that you have infused science, you are not a scholar whose opinions have to be taken as reality.</i></span></font></font>
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<font face="Times New Roman, serif" class=""><font style="font-size: 12pt" size="3" class="">Owen's
Libel and slander claims of intentionally and knowingly asserting
false statements to harm Afrinic's reputation and continuous
character assassination of the Board is acting with actual malice and
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</p><p style="margin-bottom: 0in; line-height: 100%" class=""><font face="Times New Roman, serif" class=""><font style="font-size: 12pt" size="3" class="">Mirriam.</font></font></p>
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On Tue Jul 27 2021 10:37:56 GMT+0300 (EAT), Arnaud AMELINA <<a href="mailto:amelnaud@gmail.com" class="">amelnaud@gmail.com</a>> wrote:
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<div class=""><div id="yiv2861759938" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class="">Je vais essayer de répondre à tous tes messages de propagande diffuser sur les listes dubmieux que je peux en les résumant avec quelques mots. </div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">Déni, diffamation, outrages, désinformations ... </div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">Déni : parce que tu passes ton temps à nier toutes les évidences présentées par les différentes déclarations faites par les contributeurs sur ces listes, qui ont plus de compréhension que toi dans le domain, ou bien tu fais exprès de nier. </div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">Diffamation : si ma compréhension est bonne de ce terme, tu ments sur le compte du Board, qui j'en suis sûr ce base sur les conseils de ses juristes pour prendre des décisions, c'est une vielle stratégie connue pour choquer l'opinion des membres de la communauté afin de les opposer à leur Board, ça échouera, pour ne pas dire que, jusque là tu as échoué. </div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">Outrage: tu passes ton temps à dénigrer les dirigeants et staff d'Afrinic tout ça pour choquer l'opinion, vielle stratégie aussi, c'est pour ça que je t'ai invité à les respecter car c'est la communauté qui les a désigné pour défendre ses intérêts, ce n'est pas parce que ton client a des problèmes que tu vas les agresser de la sorte. </div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">Désinformations : tu utilises aussi le principe de fakenews pour faire passer ton opinion, ta compréhension des choses comme une réalité, ça aussi c'est connu, c'est une vieille stratégie utilisée par les colons contre les indigènes. Tu fais croire que les ressources n'ont pas été réclamées comme propriété par ton client alors tout ce que je constate c'est le contraire. S'il a compris que ces ressources n'étaient pas sa propriété, il n'aurait pas pris le risque des les vendre à l'extérieur de la région Afrique. S'il avait l'intention de les utiliser en Afrique il aurait pris un ASN, ce qui n'est pas son cas, pour bien camoufler son forfait. </div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">Tu as une interprétation souvent très erronées des réalités de l'écosystème africain et de nos textes que penses pouvoir manipuler à ta guise, si c'est sur la base de tes raisonnements que tes clients font des actions en justices j'ai bien peur qu'ils irront droit dans le mur c'est mon opinion personnelle. </div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">Donc mon Cher Owen, ne pense pas que tu détiens la science infuse, tu n'es pas un érudit dont on doit prendre les opinions comme réalité. </div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">--</div><div class="">Arnaud </div><div class="yiv2861759938yqt5719229637" id="yiv2861759938yqt88361"><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class=""><div class="yiv2861759938gmail_quote"><div class="yiv2861759938gmail_attr" dir="ltr">Le mar. 27 juil. 2021 à 01:11, Owen DeLong <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:owen@delong.com" class="">owen@delong.com</a>> a écrit :<br clear="none" class=""></div><blockquote class="yiv2861759938gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;" class="">There are lots of legitimate uses of IP addresses without having your own unique ASN.<div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">The current board is one of the least transparent and least responsible in AFRINIC history.</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">They have utterly failed to read the governing documents as written, instead clinging to some belief system</div><div class="">that is not supported by the governing documents. They have allowed a CEO to remain in his position after</div><div class="">violating a court order putting them in a position of potentially being convicted of contempt of court.</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">They have insisted on carrying out an irresponsible war against a resource member based on their utter</div><div class="">inability to read their own governing documents as written.</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">If these so-called “lawless capitalists” are so lawless, then why is it that they are not the ones facing</div><div class="">potential criminal charges? If they are so lawless, why are the courts granting their every request</div><div class="">and rejecting AFRINIC’s opposition at virtually every turn?</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">Indeed, I would say that I have it exactly correct in calling this board irresponsible and I also have it</div><div class="">right about who is and is not following the law.</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">So, stop disrespecting those who oppose you and look beyond your ad hominem attacks and your</div><div class="">blind faith that the rules say what you want them to say and actually consider what is truly written</div><div class="">in the CPM, bylaws, and RSA.</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">I do not believe I have disrespected anyone beyond making factual accusations about their</div><div class="">behavior. If you consider my factual accusations about certain behaviors to be disrespectful, then</div><div class="">doesn’t that say more about the behaviors themselves than about my accusations?</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 24, 2021, at 01:46 , Arnaud AMELINA <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:amelnaud@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:amelnaud@gmail.com" class="">amelnaud@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br clear="none" class=""><div class=""><div class="">Cher Owen,<div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">Je pense que tu te trompe de cible en terme d'irresponsabilité. Ceux qui étaient au board au moment où Le Board aurait autorisé la remise de plusieurs millions d'adresses IP à une entreprise qui n'a même pas jugé utile d'avoir un ASN, sont les vrais irresponsables et ils se connaissent. Le Board actuel est l'un des plus responsable qu'on est eu. Car ils se battent pour la souveraineté des ressources africaines qui ont été capturé par un groupe de capitalistes sans foi ni loi qui ne pensent qu'à leur intérêt personnel soutenus par quelques frères africains corrompus.</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">C'est ça la réalité, donc arrête tes insinuations et cesses de dénigrer et de manquer du respect à notre équipe du Board. C'est un comportement de Colon que tu es entrain d'avoir. Don arrête ça tu peut défendre ton client sans manquer du respect à ceux que la communauté à désigné pour défendre ses intérêts.</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">À bon entendeur salut !</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">--</div><div class="">Arnaud </div></div><br clear="none" class=""><div class="yiv2861759938gmail_quote"><div class="yiv2861759938gmail_attr" dir="ltr">Le sam. 24 juil. 2021 à 03:44, Owen DeLong via RPD <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" class="">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> a écrit :<br clear="none" class=""></div><blockquote class="yiv2861759938gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;" class="">There’s a big difference between taking away the toys/weapons an irresponsible teenager already has (though I’m<div class="">not sure that’s necessarily a bad idea at this point) and hading them new deadly weapons.</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">This proposal seeks to hand them a new weapon with far greater and more damaging effect than any of the tools</div><div class="">presently in their hands.</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">Sure, we should look for ways to take away the BB guns, but handing them a Howitzer still remains irresponsible.</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">The board can’t ratify this proposal if we never send it to them.</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""><div class=""><br clear="none" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 23, 2021, at 13:13 , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" class="">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:</div><br clear="none" class=""><div class=""><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;" class=""><div style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" class="">Should we then cancel all the CPM parts can be used in bad faith or wrongly? We need a policy proposal for that. And then the Board can decide not to ratify it …<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" class="">Should also cancel the internal procedure that AFRINIC has designed for recovering resources. That is not in the scope “right now” of the policy manual, so we should set in-scope via a policy proposal. However, it looks like the Board could also decide not to ratify it …<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" class="">Our problem is now a bigger one than this policy, that in the best case will take 8-9 months to be implemented.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" class="">In that time, we must make sure that the overal problem is resolved instead of investing in getting this policy down (and the full CPM down). It is a more wise usage of resources.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" class="">And if we believe that AFRINIC is acting against the community, at least I’m starting to believe that, lacking responses, then we should escalate to ICANN.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" class="">Regars,<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></div><p class="yiv2861759938MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 12pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" class="">Jordi<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="yiv2861759938MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 12pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" class="">@jordipalet<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="yiv2861759938MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 12pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p></div><div style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">El 23/7/21 21:51, "Owen DeLong" <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:owen@delong.com" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;" class="">owen@delong.com</a>> escribió:<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></div></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Sure,<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div><div class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">However, in the case of this specific policy which would allow RPKI to be weaponized by AFRINIC, I think it<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">is irresponsible to hand a loaded howitzer to an irresponsible teenager.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Owen<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></div><div class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt;" type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Jul 22, 2021, at 08:20 , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;" class="">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" class="">Hi Owen,</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" class="">I don’t have all the details in my hands to judge if all was done correctly or not.</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" class="">Even if I trust you, I think we should agree that this is a major problem and not any specific policy.</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" class="">So, we should find the way to resolve that in a wider way, including a very clear and diligent responsivity from the board. Right now, I’ve been waiting for responses to my two previous emails from 14 and 15<sup class="">th</sup><span class=""> </span>July. I think one week is more than sufficient to respond.</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" class="">Regards,</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div></div><p class="yiv2861759938MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 12pt 35.4pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" class="">Jordi</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="yiv2861759938MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 12pt 35.4pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" class="">@jordipalet</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="yiv2861759938MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 12pt 35.4pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p></div><div class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin-left:35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">El 22/7/21 16:54, "Owen DeLong" <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:owen@delong.com" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;" class="">owen@delong.com</a>> escribió:<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin-left:35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div></div></div><div style="margin-left:35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin-left:35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt;" type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin-left:35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Begin forwarded message:<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div></div></div><div style="margin-left:35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin-left:35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="" class="">From:<span class=""> </span></span></b><span style="" class="">JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;" class="">rpd@afrinic.net</a>></span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin-left:35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="" class="">Subject: Re: [rpd] Last Call - RPKI ROAs for Unallocated and Unassigned AFRINIC Address Space AFPUB-2019-GEN-006-DRAFT03.</span></b><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin-left:35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="" class="">Date:<span class=""> </span></span></b><span style="" class="">July 22, 2021 at 00:16:48 PDT</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin-left:35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="" class="">To:<span class=""> </span></span></b><span style="" class="">"<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;" class="">rpd@afrinic.net</a>" <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;" class="">rpd@afrinic.net</a>></span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin-left:35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="" class="">Reply-To:<span class=""> </span></span></b><span style="" class="">JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" target="_blank" href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;" class="">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>></span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div></div></div><div style="margin-left:35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin-left:35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" class="">Hi Owen,</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin-left:35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin-left:35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" class="">I don’t know, as many in the list, all the details and the real “true” (not one side, not the other), about the recent case.</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin-left:35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" class=""> </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin-left:35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" class="">However, what I can say is that AFRINIC indicated in this case, that they will keep the resources in use for additional 3 months so customers aren’t impacted.</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><div style="margin-left:35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div></div></div><div style="margin-left:35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">This was not true. Because of the way they modified whois, multiple providers started rejecting LOAs as invalid and disconnecting customers. As such, their superficial claim that they were preventing customers from being impacted was not accurate.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin-left:35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt;" type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin-left:35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" class="">Following the policy text, this is exactly the same thing. If there is a disagreement and then a recovery, until the recovery is “final” (the 3 months I just mention) the resources will not be incorporated in the AS0.</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><div style="margin-left:35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div></div></div><div style="margin-left:35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Yes, but you are now assuming that AFRINIC will follow their own rules. Had AFRINIC actually followed their own rules, they would not have attempted to terminate Cloud Innovation’s membership and would not have altered the WHOIS entries in question.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin-left:35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:12pt;" class=""> </span><br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class=""><br clear="none" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt;" type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin-left:35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size:12pt;" lang="EN-US" class="">The recent case, demonstrated that it works, because in case of a dispute, you can still ask the courts, in the worst case, to take a position.</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><div style="margin-left:35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></div></div></div><div style="margin-left:35.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">If AFRINIC had acted responsibly and in compliance with their own rules, this would be true. Because AFRINIC does not follow its own rules and because AFRINIC was in such a rush to take adverse action the moment our injunction was temporarily lifted on a technicality, it is quite clear that they are willing to act in bad faith and contrary to their rules. 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