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    <p>Who told you that you can simply send an updated version of you
      appeal at any time ?<br>
      There is a timeframe the appeal can be sent for AC analysts.</p>
    <p>You basically gathered messages after the appeal was filled and
      incorporated into this new version in the section destined to show
      evidences of failed attempt to resolve the disagreement through
      discussion, but that happened AFTER your initial appeal was filled
      AND the decision was already taken, a proper confusion. Many of
      these evidences were put after the time destined to discussion and
      appeal submission.</p>
    <p>Point 3 is completely false and something that has been repeated
      several times that "RIRs will inject data in the routing process"<br>
      Point 5 is quiet obvious and what is wrong with it ?<br>
      Point 6 is also false and Autonomous Systems remain completelly
      free to choose if they wan to use the TA or not even to validate
      RPKI at all.<br>
      Point 11 mentioned other RIRs. How can other RIR's discussion be a
      point for AC to analyze if the consensus was reached or not ? This
      is a point to be put during the discussion of the proposal, not in
      the appeal.<br>
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    <p>It seems you keep confusing things about PDP and how things work
      in order to have your points considered.<br>
    </p>
    <p>Fernando<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Em 7/22/2021 6:07 AM, Meriem Dayday
      escreveu:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Hello all,
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        <div>I am sending my updated appeal against the consensus
          declared by the co-chairs on the RPKI Policy. I incorporated
          some new elements for the AC and the chairs to take into
          account.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>I hope that this updated appeal will be taken into
          consideration.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div><br>
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        <div>Best regards.</div>
        <div>
          <div><br>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le jeu. 22 juil. 2021 à 09:54,
          Meriem Dayday <<a href="mailto:meriemdayday@gmail.com"
            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">meriemdayday@gmail.com</a>>
          a écrit :<br>
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          <div dir="ltr">Dear PDWG co-chairs,
            <div><br>
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              <div dir="auto"><br>
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              <div dir="auto">I would like to remind you that there is
                still an ongoing appeal against the implementation of
                the RPKI policy, of which we did not get the results. It
                is our right as a community to file an appeal, and more
                importantly to receive a proper final evaluation from
                the appeal committee (although it got dissolved, we are
                still waiting for its reconstitution, hence, the
                announcement of the appeal results). </div>
              <div dir="auto">I must say, this behavior violates the CPM
                and displays a huge disregard of the community’s
                opinion. </div>
              <div dir="auto"><br>
              </div>
              <div>We are awaiting AFRINIC's clarification on that
                serious matter.</div>
            </div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>Best regards.</div>
          </div>
          <br>
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            <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le mer. 21 juil. 2021
              à 18:43, PDWG Chair <<a
                href="mailto:dacostadarwin@gmail.com" target="_blank"
                moz-do-not-send="true">dacostadarwin@gmail.com</a>> a
              écrit :<br>
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                              <br>
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style="line-height:1.38;text-align:justify;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">As the PDWG Chairs, we will shortly send a report to the Board for ratification.</span></div>
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                    <div>On 17 Jun 2021, at 17:17, PDWG Chair <<a
                        href="mailto:dacostadarwin@gmail.com"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">dacostadarwin@gmail.com</a>>
                      wrote:</div>
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                        <div>Dear PDWG,</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>We hereby extend the Last Call period for
                          this draft policy proposal by two weeks to <b><u>Saturday
                              3rd July 2021 at 2359UTC.</u></b></div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>This will allow the following:</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>1. The AFRINIC Secretariat to respond to
                          the operational/implementation concerns that
                          have been raised by the PDWG. This will be
                          done on or before Wednesday 23rd June 2021.</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>2. Thereafter, give the PDWG time to review
                          the response from the AFRINIC Secretariat and
                          further engage on the same, among other
                          resultant matters.</div>
                        <div><br>
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                        <div>Regards,</div>
                        <div>Vincent Ngundi & Darwin Da Costa </div>
                        <div>AFRINIC PDWG CO-CHAIRS</div>
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                            <div>On 8 Jun 2021, at 15:58, PDWG Chair
                              <<a href="mailto:vincent@ngundi.me.ke"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vincent@ngundi.me.ke</a>>
                              wrote:</div>
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                                <p>Dear PDWG,</p>
                                <p>Following the commencement of the
                                  Last Call period on 5th June 2021, we
                                  have noted some concerns that have
                                  been raised by some members of the
                                  PDWG. As Co-Chairs, and following a
                                  review and analysis of the responses,
                                  we have concluded that all the
                                  concerns raised have been adequately
                                  addressed by either the authors of
                                  this policy proposal, or by other
                                  members of the PDWG.</p>
                                <p>We therefore encourage participants
                                  to engage in, and pursue, any
                                  editorial changes to the policy
                                  proposal as well as any contentious
                                  issues that are objective and founded
                                  on proper justifications.</p>
                                <p>We also remind the community to
                                  adhere to the AfriNIC Code of Conduct
                                  (<a
                                    href="https://www.afrinic.net/code"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.afrinic.net/code</a>)
                                  in order to ensure that our
                                  deliberations remain professional,
                                  respectful and appropriate at all
                                  times.</p>
                                <p>Finally, we wish to inform the PDWG
                                  that the Last Call period closes on
                                  19th June 2021 at 2359UTC.</p>
                                <p>Regards,<br>
                                  Vincent Ngundi & Darwin Da Costa<br>
                                  AFRINIC PDWG CO-Chairs<br>
                                  <br>
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                                <div>On 08/06/2021 16:21, jeffery_sky
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                                              style="font-size:18.4px"
                                              dir="ltr">To clarify,
                                              these concerns are
                                              becoming repetitive due to
                                              the lack of adequate
                                              responses from the </span><span
                                              style="font-size:18.4px"
                                              dir="ltr">concerned
                                              stakeholders. Also, I want
                                              to </span><span
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                                              dir="ltr">address the fact
                                            </span><span
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                                              dir="ltr">that the real
                                              problem here is not</span><span
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                                              bothering me is that<b> </b></span><b><span
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                                                dir="ltr">RIR </span><span
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                                                dir="ltr">is </span><span
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                                                dir="ltr">injecti</span></b><span
                                              style="font-size:18.4px"
                                              dir="ltr"><b>ng its own
                                                data into RPKI</b></span><span
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                                              signing space is in</span><span
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                                              dir="ltr">lead to</span><span
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                                              dir="ltr">AS0 all </span><span
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                                              dir="ltr">unallocated
                                              space for you</span><span
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                                              dir="ltr">. Consequently</span><span
                                              style="font-size:18.4px"
                                              dir="ltr">, </span><span
                                              style="font-size:18.4px"
                                              dir="ltr">the routing
                                              changes</span><span
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                                              dir="ltr">.</span><span
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                                              dir="ltr"><br>
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                                        <div><font face="times new
                                            roman, new york, times,
                                            serif"><span
                                              style="font-size:18.4px"
                                              dir="ltr">I understand
                                              that some of t</span><span
                                              style="font-size:18.4px"
                                              dir="ltr">hese concerns
                                              are repe</span><span
                                              style="font-size:18.4px"
                                              dir="ltr">ated, but I
                                              think it is because they
                                              were not </span><span
                                              style="font-size:18.4px"
                                              dir="ltr">addressed
                                              properly. The responses
                                              provided are mainly vague
                                              and it seems to me that
                                              you are dodging </span><span
                                              style="font-size:18.4px"
                                              dir="ltr">the comments by
                                              bringing the Last call
                                              phase procedure and
                                              calling out the PDWG co</span><span
                                              style="font-size:18.4px"
                                              dir="ltr">-</span><span
                                              style="font-size:18.4px"
                                              dir="ltr">chairs. <br>
                                            </span></font></div>
                                        <div><font face="times new
                                            roman, new york, times,
                                            serif"><span
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                                              dir="ltr"></span><span
                                              style="font-size:18.4px"
                                              dir="ltr">The last call
                                              phas</span><span
                                              style="font-size:18.4px"
                                              dir="ltr">e is dedicated
                                              to this type of
                                              discussions, and if
                                              several people are not
                                              convinced, it </span><span
                                              style="font-size:18.4px"
                                              dir="ltr">simply means
                                              that the co</span><span
                                              style="font-size:18.4px"
                                              dir="ltr">-</span><span
                                              style="font-size:18.4px"
                                              dir="ltr">authors should
                                              try providing insightful
                                              responses that go straight
                                              to the </span><span
                                              style="font-size:18.4px"
                                              dir="ltr">point, not vague
                                              ones. If this vicious
                                              cycle and the lack of
                                              proper a</span><span
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                                              dir="ltr">nswers
                                              continues, consensus will
                                            </span><span
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                                              dir="ltr">never happen,
                                              and the policy cannot be
                                              implemented. Also, most of
                                              the raised objections have
                                              nothing </span><span
                                              style="font-size:18.4px"
                                              dir="ltr">to do with
                                              technicalities, therefore,
                                              they are meant to be
                                              discussed on the RPD. </span><span
                                              style="font-size:18.4px"
                                              dir="ltr">Finally, the
                                              arguments you perceive
                                              repe</span><span
                                              style="font-size:18.4px"
                                              dir="ltr">ated, have not
                                              been received accurate
                                              replies, which means </span><span
                                              style="font-size:18.4px"
                                              dir="ltr">they will keep
                                              popping out. Consequently,
                                              the best thing to do, is
                                              to dig deeper in this
                                              proposal, instead </span><span
                                              style="font-size:18.4px"
                                              dir="ltr">of labelling the
                                              arguments as invalid.</span><span
                                              style="font-size:18.4px"
                                              dir="ltr">In the hope of
                                              receiving insightful
                                              answers...</span><span
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                                              dir="ltr"><br>
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                                      <div> On Tuesday, June 8, 2021,
                                        9:40:10 PM GMT+9, Fernando
                                        Frediani <a
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                                        <div dir="ltr">+1<br
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                                          Excelent and simple answer.<br
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                                          Em 6/8/2021 3:01 AM, Frank
                                          Habicht escreveu:<br
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                                          > Hi<br clear="none">
                                          ><br clear="none">
                                          > On 08/06/2021 01:45,
                                          Daniel Yakmut via RPD wrote:<br
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                                          >> Hi,<br clear="none">
                                          >><br clear="none">
                                          >> Are you postulating
                                          here that Resources not
                                          allocated are susceptible to<br
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                                          >> hijack?<br
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                                          > - resources are
                                          susceptible to hijack.<br
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                                          > - if a ROA with AS0 was
                                          published for an unallocated
                                          resource, it would<br
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                                          >    be less susceptible to
                                          hijack.<br clear="none">
                                          ><br clear="none">
                                          ><br clear="none">
                                          >> My other
                                          understanding is an RIR is a
                                          resource dispenser.<br
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                                          > When I get my next
                                          resource from AfriNIC, I will
                                          prefer one that was not<br
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                                          > previously hijacked and
                                          used for spamming and network
                                          abuse, and got<br clear="none">
                                          > blacklisted and a bad
                                          reputation everywhere.<br
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                                          ><br clear="none">
                                          > What about you?<br
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                                          ><br clear="none">
                                          ><br clear="none">
                                          > Thanks,<br clear="none">
                                          > Frank<br clear="none">
                                          ><br clear="none">
                                          ><br clear="none">
                                          >> Simply<br
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                                          >> Daniel<br
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                                          >><br clear="none">
                                          >> On Mon, Jun 7, 2021,
                                          11:30 PM Fernando Frediani
                                          <<a shape="rect"
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                                          >> <mailto:<a
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                                          wrote:<br clear="none">
                                          >><br clear="none">
                                          >>      AfriNic (or any
                                          other RIR) is the resource
                                          holder for IP space that<br
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                                          >>      IANA has
                                          allocated to it. So who else
                                          could secure that space until<br
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                                          >>      it is assigned
                                          to an organization issuing
                                          ROAs if not the current<br
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                                          >>      resource holder
                                          ?<br clear="none">
                                          >><br clear="none">
                                          >>      Must we have a
                                          policy accepted by either RIPE
                                          or ARIN first in order<br
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                                          >>      to accept it in
                                          AfriNic afterwards ?<br
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                                          >>      This is not a
                                          worry to the RIR, it is
                                          actually an additional<br
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                                          >>      guarantee that
                                          no one else will try to make
                                          usage of IP space under<br
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                                          >>      its
                                          responsability.<br
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                                          >><br clear="none">
                                          >>      Fernando<br
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                                          >><br clear="none">
                                          >>      On 07/06/2021
                                          19:14, Daniel Yakmut via RPD
                                          wrote:<br clear="none">
                                          >>>      Dear Jordi,<br
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                                          >>><br clear="none">
                                          >>>      Just out of
                                          curiosity why has RIPE and
                                          ARIN refused to adopt the<br
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                                          >>>      RPKI ROA and
                                          make it their responsibility
                                          that it is used by<br
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                                          >>>      resource
                                          holder?. I will agree that
                                          RPKI ROA is a good tool to<br
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                                          >>>      secure BGP
                                          routing, however I don't see
                                          as the responsibility of<br
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                                          >>>      an RIR to
                                          implement it.<br clear="none">
                                          >>><br clear="none">
                                          >>>      My strong
                                          opinion is that any resource
                                          holder should be<br
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                                          >>>      responsible
                                          for securing its resources and
                                          if RPKI ROA is the best<br
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                                          >>>      way to
                                          prevent hijack, then it will
                                          enjoy patronage. Making it a<br
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                                          >>>      job of
                                          AfriNIC, will possibly be
                                          going over board.<br
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                                          >>><br clear="none">
                                          >>>      Responding
                                          to my opening question, I
                                          believe RIPE and ARIN are not<br
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                                          >>>      keen on
                                          accepting your arguments
                                          because they are mundane. This<br
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                                          >>>      means
                                          resource holders should handle
                                          this issue, without making it<br
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                                          >>>      a worry of
                                          the RIR.<br clear="none">
                                          >>><br clear="none">
                                          >>>      In this
                                          regard, AfriNIC should
                                          concentrate on handling other
                                          more<br clear="none">
                                          >>>      important
                                          issues, hence this policy is
                                          not relevant.<br clear="none">
                                          >>><br clear="none">
                                          >>><br clear="none">
                                          >>>      Simply<br
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                                          >>><br clear="none">
                                          >>>      Daniel<br
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                                          >>><br clear="none">
                                          >>>      On
                                          07/06/2021 6:3pm, JORDI PALET
                                          MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:<br
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                                          >>>>      Ni
                                          Mimi,____<br clear="none">
                                          >>>><br
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                                          >>>>      __ __<br
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                                          >>>><br
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                                          >>>>      No, is
                                          not ideological, the legal
                                          counsel already confirmed the<br
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                                          >>>>      being
                                          bookkeepers has many other
                                          **related** implications, such<br
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                                          >>>>      as
                                          provide a trustable source of
                                          accurate data, and this is
                                          what<br clear="none">
                                          >>>>      RPKI and
                                          AS0 improve.____<br
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                                          >>>><br
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                                          >>>>      __ __<br
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                                          >>>><br
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                                          >>>>      The fact
                                          that in RIPE has not been
                                          accepted yet is just one more<br
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                                          >>>>      excuse,
                                          if you compare it with the
                                          fact that the other TWO RIRs<br
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                                          >>>>      where it
                                          has been submitted (APNIC and
                                          LACNIC) accepted it and in<br
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                                          >>>>      none of
                                          those regions there have been
                                          any of the excuses and lack<br
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                                          >>>>      of
                                          knowledge about RPKI that we
                                          are hearing here. As I’ve<br
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                                          >>>>     
                                          explained already, I don’t
                                          think the RIPE chairs decision
                                          was<br clear="none">
                                          >>>>      correct,
                                          and we will make sure to
                                          resubmit the proposal there<br
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                                          >>>>      once a
                                          consistent appeal process is
                                          available, in case chairs<br
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                                          >>>>      take
                                          again a wrong decision. Also,
                                          then the experience in APNIC,<br
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                                          >>>>      LACNIC
                                          and AFRINIC will show that
                                          those motivations are<br
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                                          >>>>     
                                          ridiculous.____<br
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                                          >>>><br
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                                          >>>>      __ __<br
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                                          >>>><br
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                                          >>>>      From
                                          time to time is good that ARIN
                                          and RIPE aren’t the leaders,<br
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                                          >>>>      you
                                          don’t think so? It shows that
                                          very smart people exist in<br
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                                          >>>>      other
                                          regions as well!____<br
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                                          >>>><br
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                                          >>>>      __ __<br
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                                          >>>><br
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                                          >>>>      Once
                                          more, sometimes policies in
                                          one or the other region fail
                                          to<br clear="none">
                                          >>>>      reach
                                          consensus, but it happens
                                          sooner or later.____<br
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                                          >>>><br
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                                          >>>>      __ __<br
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                                          >>>><br
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                                          >>>>      If you
                                          have a simple and trustable
                                          tool such as RPKI to drop<br
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                                          >>>>     
                                          invalids, you have a better
                                          way (if you want) to avoid bad
                                          actors<br clear="none">
                                          >>>>      to use
                                          prefixes that don’t belong to
                                          them as they are still on<br
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                                          >>>>      the
                                          hands of AFRINIC. This is just
                                          facts. Not ideological, not<br
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                                          >>>>      opinions
                                          or personal view points. So
                                          yes, AS0 avoids, if you<br
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                                          >>>>      operate
                                          your network in a consistent
                                          way, to be faked with<br
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                                          >>>>      prefixes
                                          not allocated/assigned by
                                          AFRINIC, and thus helps to<br
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                                          >>>>      prevent
                                          hijacking.____<br clear="none">
                                          >>>><br
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                                          >>>>      __ __<br
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                                          >>>><br
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                                          >>>>     
                                          Regards,____<br clear="none">
                                          >>>><br
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                                          >>>>     
                                          Jordi____<br clear="none">
                                          >>>><br
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                                          >>>>     
                                          @jordipalet____<br
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                                          >>>><br
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                                          >>>>      __ __<br
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                                          >>>><br
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                                          >>>>      __ __<br
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                                          >>>><br
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                                          >>>>      __ __<br
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                                          >>>><br
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                                          >>>>      El
                                          7/6/21 18:47, "Mimi dy" <<a
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                                            target="_blank"
                                            moz-do-not-send="true">dym5328@gmail.com</a><br
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                                          >>>>     
                                          <mailto:<a shape="rect"
                                            href="mailto:dym5328@gmail.com"
                                            target="_blank"
                                            moz-do-not-send="true">dym5328@gmail.com</a>>>
                                          escribió:____<br clear="none">
                                          >>>><br
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                                          >>>>      __ __<br
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                                          >>>><br
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                                          >>>>      Dear
                                          WG,____<br clear="none">
                                          >>>><br
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                                          >>>>       ____<br
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                                          >>>><br
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                                          >>>>      I think
                                          the issue here is ideological.
                                          Many people believe that<br
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                                          >>>>      RIRs are
                                          mere bookkeepers, and it is
                                          not in their mandate to<br
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                                          >>>>      inject
                                          data into the routing
                                          database. That is the reason
                                          why<br clear="none">
                                          >>>>      RIPE did
                                          not approve a similar
                                          proposal, which I totally
                                          agree<br clear="none">
                                          >>>>      with.
                                          Moreover, I wanted to react to
                                          Jordi’s statement, saying<br
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                                          >>>>      that
                                          these objections are based on
                                          practical and technical<br
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                                          >>>>      matters.
                                          There is not only one routing
                                          database, there are many,<br
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                                          >>>>      isn’t it
                                          kind of messy? And that is not
                                          even the main reason why<br
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                                          >>>>      I object
                                          to this policy. ____<br
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                                          >>>><br
                                            clear="none">
                                          >>>>      From
                                          another perspective, since
                                          people can adjust and control<br
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                                          >>>>      their
                                          routers, can you precise how
                                          this policy can potentially<br
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                                          >>>>      prevent/
                                          reduce hijacking?____<br
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                                          >>>><br
                                            clear="none">
                                          >>>>       ____<br
                                            clear="none">
                                          >>>><br
                                            clear="none">
                                          >>>>     
                                          Best.____<br clear="none">
                                          >>>><br
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                                          >>>>     
                                          _______________________________________________
                                          RPD mailing list<br
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                                          >>>>      <a
                                            shape="rect"
                                            href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net"
                                            target="_blank"
                                            moz-do-not-send="true">RPD@afrinic.net</a>
                                          <mailto:<a shape="rect"
                                            href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net"
                                            target="_blank"
                                            moz-do-not-send="true">RPD@afrinic.net</a>><br
                                            clear="none">
                                          >>>>      <a
                                            shape="rect"
                                            href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd"
                                            target="_blank"
                                            moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br
                                            clear="none">
                                          >>>>      <<a
                                            shape="rect"
                                            href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd"
                                            target="_blank"
                                            moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a>>
                                          ____<br clear="none">
                                          >>>><br
                                            clear="none">
                                          >>>><br
                                            clear="none">
                                          >>>>     
                                          **********************************************<br
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                                          >>>>      IPv4 is
                                          over<br clear="none">
                                          >>>>      Are you
                                          ready for the new Internet ?<br
                                            clear="none">
                                          >>>>      <a
                                            shape="rect"
                                            href="http://www.theipv6company.com/"
                                            target="_blank"
                                            moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.theipv6company.com
                                          </a><<a shape="rect"
                                            href="http://www.theipv6company.com/"
                                            target="_blank"
                                            moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.theipv6company.com</a>><br
                                            clear="none">
                                          >>>>      The IPv6
                                          Company<br clear="none">
                                          >>>><br
                                            clear="none">
                                          >>>>      This
                                          electronic message contains
                                          information which may be<br
                                            clear="none">
                                          >>>>     
                                          privileged or confidential.
                                          The information is intended to
                                          be for<br clear="none">
                                          >>>>      the
                                          exclusive use of the
                                          individual(s) named above and
                                          further<br clear="none">
                                          >>>>     
                                          non-explicilty authorized
                                          disclosure, copying,
                                          distribution or<br
                                            clear="none">
                                          >>>>      use of
                                          the contents of this
                                          information, even if
                                          partially,<br clear="none">
                                          >>>>     
                                          including attached files, is
                                          strictly prohibited and will
                                          be<br clear="none">
                                          >>>>     
                                          considered a criminal offense.
                                          If you are not the intended<br
                                            clear="none">
                                          >>>>     
                                          recipient be aware that any
                                          disclosure, copying,
                                          distribution or<br
                                            clear="none">
                                          >>>>      use of
                                          the contents of this
                                          information, even if
                                          partially,<br clear="none">
                                          >>>>     
                                          including attached files, is
                                          strictly prohibited, will be<br
                                            clear="none">
                                          >>>>     
                                          considered a criminal offense,
                                          so you must reply to the
                                          original<br clear="none">
                                          >>>>      sender
                                          to inform about this
                                          communication and delete it.
                                          <div
id="gmail-m_-8366949908904696546gmail-m_-7206695092255335337gmail-m_-6704419601746306646yqtfd23438"><br
                                              clear="none">
                                            >>>><br
                                              clear="none">
                                            >>>><br
                                              clear="none">
                                            >>>>     
                                            _______________________________________________<br
                                              clear="none">
                                            >>>>      RPD
                                            mailing list<br clear="none">
                                            >>>>      <a
                                              shape="rect"
                                              href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net"
                                              target="_blank"
                                              moz-do-not-send="true">RPD@afrinic.net</a>
                                            <mailto:<a shape="rect"
                                              href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net"
                                              target="_blank"
                                              moz-do-not-send="true">RPD@afrinic.net</a>><br
                                              clear="none">
                                            >>>>      <a
                                              shape="rect"
                                              href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd"
                                              target="_blank"
                                              moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd
                                            </a><<a shape="rect"
                                              href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd"
                                              target="_blank"
                                              moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a>><br
                                              clear="none">
                                            >>>     
                                            _______________________________________________<br
                                              clear="none">
                                            >>>      RPD
                                            mailing list<br clear="none">
                                            >>>      <a
                                              shape="rect"
                                              href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net"
                                              target="_blank"
                                              moz-do-not-send="true">RPD@afrinic.net</a>
                                            <mailto:<a shape="rect"
                                              href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net"
                                              target="_blank"
                                              moz-do-not-send="true">RPD@afrinic.net</a>><br
                                              clear="none">
                                            >>>      <a
                                              shape="rect"
                                              href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd"
                                              target="_blank"
                                              moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd
                                            </a><<a shape="rect"
                                              href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd"
                                              target="_blank"
                                              moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a>><br
                                              clear="none">
                                            >>     
                                            _______________________________________________<br
                                              clear="none">
                                            >>      RPD mailing
                                            list<br clear="none">
                                            >>      <a
                                              shape="rect"
                                              href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net"
                                              target="_blank"
                                              moz-do-not-send="true">RPD@afrinic.net</a>
                                            <mailto:<a shape="rect"
                                              href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net"
                                              target="_blank"
                                              moz-do-not-send="true">RPD@afrinic.net</a>><br
                                              clear="none">
                                            >>      <a
                                              shape="rect"
                                              href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd"
                                              target="_blank"
                                              moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br
                                              clear="none">
                                            >>      <<a
                                              shape="rect"
                                              href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd"
                                              target="_blank"
                                              moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a>><br
                                              clear="none">
                                            >><br clear="none">
                                            >><br clear="none">
                                            >>
                                            _______________________________________________<br
                                              clear="none">
                                            >> RPD mailing list<br
                                              clear="none">
                                            >> <a shape="rect"
                                              href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net"
                                              target="_blank"
                                              moz-do-not-send="true">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br
                                              clear="none">
                                            >> <a shape="rect"
                                              href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd"
                                              target="_blank"
                                              moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br
                                              clear="none">
                                            >><br clear="none">
                                            >
                                            _______________________________________________<br
                                              clear="none">
                                            > RPD mailing list<br
                                              clear="none">
                                            > <a shape="rect"
                                              href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net"
                                              target="_blank"
                                              moz-do-not-send="true">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br
                                              clear="none">
                                            > <a shape="rect"
                                              href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd"
                                              target="_blank"
                                              moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br
                                              clear="none">
                                            <br clear="none">
_______________________________________________<br clear="none">
                                            RPD mailing list<br
                                              clear="none">
                                            <a shape="rect"
                                              href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net"
                                              target="_blank"
                                              moz-do-not-send="true">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br
                                              clear="none">
                                            <a shape="rect"
                                              href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd"
                                              target="_blank"
                                              moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br
                                              clear="none">
                                          </div>
                                        </div>
                                      </div>
                                    </div>
                                  </div>
                                  <br>
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                                  <pre>_______________________________________________
RPD mailing list
<a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">RPD@afrinic.net</a>
<a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a>
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_______________________________________________<br>
                              RPD mailing list<br>
                              <a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br>
                              <a
                                href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br>
                            </div>
                          </blockquote>
                        </div>
                        <br>
                      </div>
                      _______________________________________________<br>
                      RPD mailing list<br>
                      <a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br>
                      <a
                        href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br>
                    </div>
                  </blockquote>
                </div>
                <br>
              </div>
              _______________________________________________<br>
              RPD mailing list<br>
              <a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank"
                moz-do-not-send="true">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br>
              <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd"
                rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br>
            </blockquote>
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        </blockquote>
      </div>
      <br>
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      <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">_______________________________________________
RPD mailing list
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net">RPD@afrinic.net</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a>
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