<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Once again, list, I apologize…</div><div class=""><br class=""></div>I did not Bcc it to anyone. I did send it only to Daniel and to you. The fact that you know I sent it to Daniel is proof that it was not a BCC and that you apparently do not understand how email works. Please (re)read RFCs 821, 822, and 1123. Try to understand them this time.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">As to why, because while you may be a huge fan of mine with a distorted view of the importance of my actions to the entire community, the reality is that this is a fairly mundane action I took in America regarding a leadership position in an RIR that has no jurisdiction anywhere near Africa and that it has no impact or effect on anyone in this community that I can think of. In short it simply isn’t relevant and isn’t a valid subject for this list.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Please do tell what it is that you think is of interest to the community here and what you believe you need to know that I have not already answered?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It’s not that I’m trying to hide anything, it’s just that I am at a loss to figure out what you are so interested in.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If more than 5 people express interest in the answer to your question, then I will answer it publicly. Otherwise, I will take it as an indication that I am correct that it is off topic and uninteresting except to you and respond privately.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 14, 2021, at 05:26 , Marcus K. G. Adomey <<a href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com" class="">madomey@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta charset="UTF-8" class=""><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class="">Hi Owen,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Why have you BCC me the email you sent to Daniel? Why can't you send your response to the entire mailing list? Is there something hidden in this private email and you would not want the others to know about? The point being discuss is of interest and we need to know.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">Please let us be transparent and open to the PDWG.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">Marcus</div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div id="appendonsend" class=""></div><div style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><br class=""></div><hr tabindex="-1" style="display: inline-block; width: 1116.21875px;" class=""><div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr" class=""><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" class="">owen@delong.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, July 14, 2021 10:56 AM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>DANIEL NANGHAKA <<a href="mailto:dndannang@gmail.com" class="">dndannang@gmail.com</a>>; Marcus K. G. Adomey <<a href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com" class="">madomey@hotmail.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] ARIN without Owen Delong ?</font><div class=""> </div></div><div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word; line-break: after-white-space;">Daniel,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Responding in private since this is off-topic for the list.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">This really has nothing to do with the AFRNIC PDP and has to do with things I want to be able to say and advocate for in the ARIN region.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">There is no conflict between my activities in AFRINIC PDP and my role on the ARIN AC.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">As to my interest in the AFRINIC PDP, you should note that I’m also at various times active in APNIC, LACNIC, RIPE, and ARIN PDPs.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I make my living as a consultant and I have at various times had clients all over the world and some clients with global networks. As a result, I am often asked to pay attention to the PDP in those regions.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I am also someone with a strong sense of community service. As such, since I am obliged to monitor the process for my client(s) anyway, I will often work towards what I perceive as the best interests of the community (regardless of whether it is best for my client or not) and I will often advocate as such. In general, I select clients who are generally ideologically aligned with me.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">One exception is Cloud Innovation. While I am not ideologically 100% in agreement with them and do not necessarily favor the current state of policy which benefits them, I am even more concerned that the RIRs cannot simply make up policy or randomly interpret policy to suit their ideological goals and must, instead, follow the policy as written until it is amended through the proper community process.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">AFRINIC has a long history of corruption, election irregularities, financial misdeeds, and failure to properly follow its own rules in both its governance process and in its management of the IP registry database. As such, I have maintained a high level of interest in AFRINIC’s doings in an effort to do what I can to help resolve those issues.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 14, 2021, at 03:38 , DANIEL NANGHAKA <<a href="mailto:dndannang@gmail.com" class="">dndannang@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="x_Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Dear Marcus, <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I strongly agree, that there are policy updates from the other RIRs, what is catching my interest at the moment is that Owen has been one of the very active participants on PDP and I believe AFRINIC has a high level of freedom of expression.</div><div class="">When he gives a reason that he wants to have greater freedom and flexibility to advocate for changes in the internet community, some of which would be considered a conflict of interest with his role as an Advisory Council member. I begin to realise that Owen could have been having a high conflict of interest which conflicted with his position on the AC. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Dear Owen,</div><div class="">Owen, kindly advise how we could deal with the Conflict of Interest in the PDP as you state it clearly in your reason. Furthermore, I still have question marks as to why the AFRINIC PDP is of high interest to you - yet the Policies discussed are for the development of the Internet in Africa. Is something wrong with the AFRINIC PDP that stimulates high interest for your participation in AFRINIC Process that the Africa participants have failed to solve which requires your expertise?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Is ARIN more superior than AFRINIC?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks </div><div class="">Daniel </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><div hspace="streak-pt-mark" class="" style="max-height: 1px;"><img alt="" class="" src="https://mailfoogae.appspot.com/t?sender=aZG5kYW5uYW5nQGdtYWlsLmNvbQ%3D%3D&type=zerocontent&guid=a9e695cc-c10a-4179-9b43-33032923c218" style="width: 0px; max-height: 0px; overflow: hidden;"><font color="#ffffff" size="1" class="">ᐧ</font></div><br class=""><div class="x_gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="x_gmail_attr">On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 at 13:26, Marcus K. G. Adomey <<a href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com" class="">madomey@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="x_gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=""><div dir="auto" class="" style="color: rgb(33, 33, 33); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Dear Owen and PDWG,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I don’t think this is an off-topic. There are reasons why we always have session on “policy update from other RIRs” at every PPM…it’s like we care for what happened at ARIN PDP through its AC and possible impact on our PDP and related issues</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">In response to the statement below, one would like to know why is Owen talking about “ was not forced to resign”? Nobody said so AFAIK, how come the position at ARIN constitute restraint to speech and why only now?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">And question for this community is how do we deal with conflict of interest in our PDP?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div>Marcus<br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="" style="color: rgb(33, 33, 33); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="" style="color: rgb(33, 33, 33); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br class=""></div><hr class="" style="display: inline-block; width: 1094.375px;"><div id="x_gmail-m_1019545103250051087divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr" class=""><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" class="" style="font-size: 11pt;"><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" class="">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, July 13, 2021 5:03:19 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Arnaud AMELINA <<a href="mailto:amelnaud@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">amelnaud@gmail.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>General Discussions of AFRINIC <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" class="">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>>; AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" class="">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] ARIN without Owen Delong ?</font><div class=""> </div></div><div class=""><div class="">Apologies to the list for this off-topic posting, but given the unwarranted attention already paid to the</div><div class="">matter and the escalating level of speculation, I beg your indulgence. This will (hopefully) be the</div><div class="">only post I make on the matter here.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div>For clarity:<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">1.<span class="" style="white-space: pre-wrap;"> </span>I chose to resign my position on the ARIN AC. I was not forced to resign. I did not have to resign.</div><div class=""><span class="" style="white-space: pre-wrap;"></span>So your speculation is neither accurate, nor appropriate and the implications are offensive.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">2.<span class="" style="white-space: pre-wrap;"> </span>I chose to resign in order to have greater freedom and flexibility to advocate for changes in the</div><div class=""><span class="" style="white-space: pre-wrap;"></span>internet community, some of which would be considered a conflict of interest with my role as</div><div class=""><span class="" style="white-space: pre-wrap;"></span>an Advisory Council member. While I have been outspoken by most standards, the reality is</div><div class=""><span class="" style="white-space: pre-wrap;"></span>that my position on the AC did serve as a significant restraint to my speech in many cases.</div><div class=""><span class="" style="white-space: pre-wrap;"></span>The time has come where I felt the need to remove that restraint in order to best serve the</div><div class=""><span class="" style="white-space: pre-wrap;"></span>community.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Reading anything other than the above into it would be a mistake and further speculation is very</div><div class="">unlikely to produce any accurate conclusions.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If anyone has questions about my resignation, they are free to ask me directly, but this really is</div><div class="">not an appropriate topic for this list.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 13, 2021, at 05:56 , Arnaud AMELINA <<a href="mailto:amelnaud@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">amelnaud@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class="">@Taiwo</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">We all would like to know why Owen, so active in our PDP, has to resign from his position at ARIN AC which serves in an advisory capacity to the Board of Trustees on Internet number resource policy and related matters. </div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">--</div><div dir="auto" class="">Arnaud<span class=""> </span><br class=""></div></div></div><br class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div dir="ltr" class="">Le lun. 12 juil. 2021 à 12:37, Taiwo Oye <<a href="mailto:taiwo.oyewande88@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">taiwo.oyewande88@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :<br class=""></div><blockquote class="" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Benjilo. <div class="">How is this of concern to you or to any of the members of the afrinic community. Kindly direct your question to the appropriate quarters -<span class=""> </span><a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank" class="">owen@delong.com</a><span class=""> </span>-</div><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Jul 11, 2021, at 19:27, Paschal Ochang <<a href="mailto:pascosoft@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">pascosoft@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Great question Daniel.<br class=""><br class="">On Sunday, July 11, 2021, DANIEL NANGHAKA <<a href="mailto:dndannang@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">dndannang@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="">Is this worth discussing on the rpd or mailing lists?<br class=""><br class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">On Sun, Jul 11, 2021, 8:36 PM Marcus K. G. Adomey <<a href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com" target="_blank" class="">madomey@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=""><div dir="auto" class="" style="color: rgb(33, 33, 33); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Hello</div><div dir="auto" class="" style="color: rgb(33, 33, 33); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br class=""><div class="">Out of curiosity, does anyone know why Owen Delong active in AFRINIC PDP resigned from ARIN AC?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="https://www.arin.net/about/welcome/ac/meetings/2021_0617/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://www.arin.net/about/welcome/ac/meetings/2021_0617/</a><span class=""> </span>point 10</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="" style="color: rgb(33, 33, 33); 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