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<p>RIRs (the only entities capable of issue these AS0 ROAs) are the
only one that can do such thing and which in the case of AfriNic
was already stated that all the necessary preventive measures will
be taken.</p>
<p>When it sais this will create "service disruption" or "have the
capacity to withdraw the provided number of resources" I see that
as something completely normal since any resources with AS0 issues
are resources that must not have been in use. If there is anything
in use and is stopped by the AS0 ROAs then they are doing exactly
what is expected from them. Therefore talking in a more practical
way only actors using IP resources out of the rules should be
worried about having their services "disrupted".</p>
<p>Fernando<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Em 7/5/2021 12:33 PM, Wijdane Goubi
escreveu:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hello,
<div><br>
I agree with what Anthony said, and it is far more reasonable
to consider the potential consequences of this policy rather
than continue to promote it, and the question posed should
have a sufficient answer because the end purpose is to
safeguard resources.</div>
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Additionally, regardless of the value of IP addresses on a
worldwide scale, this practice is carried out without adequate
compensation. We should be concerned about the high danger of
putting the company in a tough commercial scenario by having
the capacity to withdraw the provided number of resources at
any time, as well as the possibility of creating service
disruption. These are legitimate issues that we should
consider. This only serves to demonstrate that this policy
does not provide adequate compensation, prompting us to ask
the following questions: who will ensure that the asset value
of intellectual property is preserved and properly protected,
and who will be ultimately responsible for the financial
consequences of anything that goes wrong with this policy?</div>
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Finally, this policy needs to be revisited, and we need to
address these concerns, which are not only dangerous and
damaging, but also have a huge influence on the company's
network infrastructure, which must be protected at all costs.</div>
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Regards,<br>
Wijdane<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le dim. 4 juil. 2021 à 02:46,
Anthony Ubah <<a href="mailto:ubah.tonyiyke@gmail.com"
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<div>Hi,</div>
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Reading through the back and forth between Noah and Owen,
and the well stated submission by Mark, it beats me that
Afrinic is still interested in moving forward with this
policy. Beautiful Policy in theory, but a potential monster
in reality.
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<div>In line with Owen's argument in the preceding thread
(which is still pending address), we are all aware that
these "assumptions" have teeth and thus have a bite to
it. I'll repeat my old question: "When a "staff", or
machines manned by a staff at afrinic "erroneously"
caused service disruption, <b>who bears the final
financial brunt for the consequences of everything
that can go wrong with this policy. <span>Afrinic?</span> or
resource owner?"</b></div>
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</b></div>
<div>This message from the AFRINIC Policy Liaison still
conspicuously fails to address this issue. Closing
our eyes to this doesn't mean it's not there, and
definitely won't make it disappear.</div>
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<div><br>
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<div>This policy may be a Nice-To-Have just like
tobacco, but a trip down that slope is not as easy
back up. </div>
<div>There is a reason some other RIRs are rejecting it,
and the region needs to know why.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at
9:11 AM AFRINIC Policy Liaison <<a
href="mailto:policy-liaison@afrinic.net" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">policy-liaison@afrinic.net</a>>
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<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;text-align:justify;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Dear PDWG,</span></p>
<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;text-align:justify;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">We have noted your concerns raised during the Last Call in respect of RPKI ROAs for Unallocated and Unassigned AFRINIC Address Space AFPUB-2019-GEN-006-DRAFT03, and we wish to assure you as follows:</span></p>
<ol style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px">
<li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type:decimal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;text-align:justify;margin-top:12pt;margin-bottom:0pt" role="presentation"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">AFRINIC’s adopted policies are incorporated by reference to its Registration Service Agreement (RSA) and consequently, both AFRINIC and its Resource Members are bound to the terms thereof;</span></p></li>
<li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type:decimal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;text-align:justify;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt" role="presentation"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">AFRINIC’s staff are bound to act in accordance with and to give effect to the aforesaid RSA;</span></p></li>
<li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type:decimal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;text-align:justify;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt" role="presentation"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">In regard to AFRINIC’s delegated resources, status change updates e.g. from allocated/assigned to ‘reserved’ and at a later stage to ‘available’ are only effected when the concerned resources either have been returned to AFRINIC by the Resource Member or following their de-registration from the WHOIS database of the said Resource Member subsequent to the termination of the RSA;</span></p></li>
<li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type:decimal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;text-align:justify;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt" role="presentation"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Termination of the RSA is triggered as a last resort pursuant to the terms of the RSA, after having offered the Resource Member the opportunity to remedy any identified breach(es);</span></p></li>
<li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type:decimal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;text-align:justify;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt" role="presentation"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">As a consequence of the WHOIS deregistration, the resources are considered as bogons and those still using the resources will experience connectivity issues;</span></p></li>
<li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type:decimal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;text-align:justify;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt" role="presentation"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">The AFRINIC team has the capacity to implement this policy. Technically, at a high level, this implementation will be quite similar to the current RPKI infrastructure. This same infrastructure has undergone several major changes which the team carried out successfully, examples are; </span></p></li>
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<li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type:disc;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt" role="presentation"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Changes from single trust anchor (TAL) to split TAL - RPKI V2.0 </span><a href="https://www.afrinic.net/library/news/1407-rpki-v20-announcement-to-the-public" style="text-decoration:none" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(17,85,204);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:underline;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">https://www.afrinic.net/library/news/1407-rpki-v20-announcement-to-the-public</span></a><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"> </span></p></li>
<li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type:disc;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt" role="presentation"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">All resources trust anchor </span><a href="https://afrinic.net/rpki-moving-towards-an-all-resources-trust-anchor" style="text-decoration:none" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(17,85,204);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:underline;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">https://afrinic.net/rpki-moving-towards-an-all-resources-trust-anchor</span></a><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"> </span></p></li>
<li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type:disc;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt" role="presentation"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Additionally there have been operations in recent years where resources received from IANA were added to RPKI. We believe this demonstrates enough capacity.</span></p></li>
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<li dir="ltr" style="list-style-type:decimal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;text-align:justify;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt" role="presentation"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">The impact assessment of the aforementioned proposal will be updated to reflect that should this proposal reach consensus and is ratified, the implementation will be done on a new (separate) Trust Anchor so that it becomes an opt-in service and does not impact the current RPKI setup.</span></p></li>
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