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Message: 3<br>
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2021 13:39:08 +0300<br>
From: Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" target="_blank">noah@neo.co.tz</a>><br>
To: Paul Hjul <<a href="mailto:hjul.paul@gmail.com" target="_blank">hjul.paul@gmail.com</a>><br>
Cc: rpd List <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [rpd] False allegations by Fernando Frediani<br>
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On Mon, Jul 5, 2021 at 12:54 PM Paul Hjul <<a href="mailto:hjul.paul@gmail.com" target="_blank">hjul.paul@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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>> Message: 1<br>
>> Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2021 11:04:20 -0300<br>
>> From: Fernando Frediani <<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com" target="_blank">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> To: <a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br>
>> Subject: Re: [rpd] More confusion from Noah<br>
>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:e958f295-ff02-0ab9-c249-177e50d1258d@gmail.com" target="_blank">e958f295-ff02-0ab9-c249-177e50d1258d@gmail.com</a>><br>
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>> On 04/07/2021 06:32, Paul Hjul wrote:<br>
>> > Firstly I'd appreciate it if you didn't mail me personally but rather<br>
>> > kept the discussion properly within the group. I note the carbon copy<br>
>> > to the group so I would see what is commented without it being sent<br>
>> > additionally to my inbox. People who act in good faith are welcome to<br>
>> > email me separately if they want to have a more personal discussion<br>
>> > but I don't like emails from bad faith actors, crooks or liars.<br>
>> What is the propose of this direct and personal attack towards Noah ?<br>
>> If we use such words when we dislike other's people points we tend to<br>
>> turn this forum in a very bad place.<br>
>><br>
>> I believe calling people crook and liar is not in accordance to multiple<br>
>> points AfriNic Code of Conduct mainly I and III and should not be<br>
>> tolerated.<br>
>><br>
>> Therefore if this is not repaired by the author I want to call for the<br>
>> attention of the Co-Chairs and Staff for this violation of Code of<br>
>> Conduct as these situations should not be stimulated or tolerated.<br>
>><br>
>> Regards<br>
>> Fernando<br>
>><br>
>><br>
> I did not call him a crook or a liar. I would only do so after a<br>
> foundation to do so is established. I identified him as a bad faith actor,<br>
> for which there is a firm foundation both in this thread (his attempt at<br>
> intimidation) and generally.<br>
><br>
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Please.....Your attempt to smear me wont work. So many apologists of IPv$<br>
Brokers have tried since 2008.<br>
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><br>
> This forum is a very bad place because of the bad faith and unresponded to<br>
> attempts to intimidate and belittle which Noah has made a staple of his<br>
> engagements with people.<br>
><br>
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Grow a backbone dude... You are the bad faith actor purporting to be self<br>
righteous.<br>
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One of the means of attempting to intimidate that people embark on is to<br>
> drive communication away from the group - as would occur if I replied to<br>
> his email to me - it is a tactic and not one that should be appreciated.<br>
><br>
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Shame on you Liar. I did not respond to you alone, I responded to you and<br>
the entire rpd group which was also in copy.<br>
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*The archive of my response to you which you claim was private is publicly<br>
available here.*<br>
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Stop lying to the group that I messaged you privately yet the message is<br>
perfectly achieved publicly for the record.<br>
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If you are going to attempt to smear me or intimidate me with your<br>
supremacist crap, try harder dude.<br>
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Cheers,<br>
Noah<br></blockquote><div><br></div></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>Please.....Your attempt to smear me wont work. So many apologists of IPv$</div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>Brokers have tried since 2008.</div></div></blockquote><div class="gmail_quote"><div>I am not making any attempt to smear you - quite a victim mentality claim implied there. You do a perfectly good job of damaging your own standing. I am still battling to grasp what you mean by IPv$ Brokers. Are you referring to the individuals in Africa who put money into their own personal pocket as an "assistance donation" to facilitate getting numbering resources available as from a resource holder and the entity in need? Or are you referring to lawfully operating businesses that undertake the activity of facilitating commerce between commercial entities?</div><div>It's difficult not to suspect that to bolster the business of the first you want to demonise the second.</div><div><br></div><div>For what it is worth there would be no business for "brokers" of the second kind if the market was able to move to efficiency and more importantly in order for firms to compete with each other in the space they actually have to add value. If you are referring to an exercise of improperly obtaining resources the term broker is wholly wrong - your friend Ernest's real crimes weren't so much in brokering as in other activities [again let me point out you've referred to him as your friend, even well after his criminality was exposed] .</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>As for "backbones", trust me I have nothing lacking in that department and its a curious angle of attack from you. I am not sure whether its part of your general routine of insult or whether its projecting. My hunch is a little of column a and a little of column b.</div></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>Shame on you Liar. I did not respond to you alone, I responded to you and</div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>the entire rpd group which was also in copy.</div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>*The archive of my response to you which you claim was private is publicly</div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>available here.*</div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>*<a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2021/013441.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2021/013441.html</a></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div><<a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2021/013441.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2021/013441.html</a>>*</div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>Stop lying to the group that I messaged you privately yet the message is</div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>perfectly achieved publicly for the record.</div></div></blockquote><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br></div><div>I did not claim that you messaged me privately (if you were to do so same would be relayed to the group with an explicit assertion of same) - on the contrary I set out that you had CC'd the group. What I complained of is that in adopting that course you structured the discourse such that if I replied it would be off group or at the very least had I replied all the group would be a secondary recipient. There is absolutely no reason for you to email me and carbon copy (rather than render in the to line) the group and a glance at the correspondence on the group makes it clear that only a faction of users are adopting the practice and that this faction are tend to behave as a mob. There is a massive difference between "to" and "cc" by placing the group on "cc" you are placing the group "in copy" and moving the discussion as one between two participants (as primary) and with the group only being informed of you doing so. One other person has replied to the group and CC'd me and I've received a direct email from one person who is a good faith actor - hence the invitation to the same class of posters. </div><div>Calling me a liar while misrepresenting what I said is pretty damn disingenuous. While it would be a little too far to call you a liar at this juncture I can't help but start understanding why somebody would assume that if I speak of a liar I am thinking of you.</div><div><br></div><div>Finally did you seriously just allege that I am a "supremacist"? Coupled with your false and unfounded allegation that I am a liar its becoming pretty clear that not only do you pollute the discussion with confusion, discord and error but you are also quite keen on making serious scurrilous and vexatious attacks of a personal nature as part of an ad hominem form of erroneous reasoning. All of this makes the conclusion that you are quite a nasty piece of work difficult not to reach.</div><div><br></div><div>And it is to that first paragraph that we must return. You see I know your game and I know the fact that you'll build up a little sock puppet clan to come and create a noise and you'll render this working group dysfunctional and eventually people will fall back and then you'll propose disastrous policies - despite the fact that same policy contradicts a policy on which consensus was reached and then dysfunction brought - that serve no purpose other than to further harm the sector on this continent. You'll then blame a lack of hand out to Africa despite the fact that per capita the country of India has been made very short on IPv4 resources and as a result is innovative in ensuring IPv6 deployments. </div><div><br></div><div>Paul</div></div></div>