<div dir="ltr">Hi Noah,<br><br>What you describe sounds nice if you are one of the established ISPs who are running a top to bottom network. However you can not say the same for smaller enterprises, too small to be an LIR, and unable to run full operations profitably, giving inability to afford the RIR/AFRINIC fees. I feel total reliance on network providers/carriers also limits flexibility, which goes more along the line of thinking from the ITU, than the spirit of the Internet, as set by the early pioneers of the Internet.<div><br>No textbook analogy. IP leasing can allow the enterprise/organizations certain flexibility in administration. Like having a single contiguous range to numbers on all their interfaces and infrastructure either locally and across the cloud, for better administration and scaling of their network they need. This way all their IPs are unique and contiguous, and they can number their offices networks, servers, VPN etc. for easy management.</div><div>So Yes, fully (physical)provider independent. Without the physical connection to provider being involved, that provider will still be there of course, but the end user is not forced to number their LAN with that provider's IP addresses.<br><br>On another note, AFRINIC itself would give out such IP addresses as assignments with the same justifications, These provider-independent address space (PI) has some limitations in the current CPM. The PIs assignments are also called "leasing", and well. </div><div>AFRINIC as a non profit organisation should not place itself in direct competition with its members.<br>Resource owners are restricted from leasing, while the registry can lease out space as described in the policy, placing AFRINIC in a very awkward situation.<br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><p style="line-height:150%"><b style="line-height:150%;font-size:12.8px"><span style="line-height:150%"><font face="garamond, serif"><br></font></span></b></p><p style="line-height:150%"><b style="line-height:150%;font-size:12.8px"><span style="line-height:150%"><font face="garamond, serif">Best Regards,</font></span></b></p><p style="line-height:150%"><font face="garamond, times new roman, serif"><b><span style="line-height:150%;font-size:12.8px"><span style="line-height:150%">Anthony</span></span></b><br></font></p></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jul 5, 2021 at 9:52 AM Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto"><div><br>Hi Daniel,</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 5 Jul 2021, 09:58 Murungi Daniel, <<a href="mailto:dmurungi@wia.co.tz" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">dmurungi@wia.co.tz</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><span style="font-size:14px">Dear Noah,</span><br><div><br></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div><span style="font-size:14px">Evidence of this is support for bogus self serving transfer policies and the push to directly monetize number resources versus using them as building blocks for innovation and service delivery as intended.</span></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">So the CPM section 3.5 has a mechanism for appealing the worst of decisions..... decisions that folks like Paul Hjul claim were WG consensus. Please!.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">In fact, AFRINIC staff cautioned resource members on the impact of that self serving resource transfer policy proposal which <b>I know for a fact</b>, that draft policy is heavily backed by IPv4 brokers (rpd archives) and their enablers who if anyone has cared to pay attention are defending the leasing of IPv4 integers because they can not put an IPv4 integer to proper use on a real network infrastructure across Africa. But we have seen controversy in the past as per the link [1]. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif">Folks, sign the AFRINIC RSA so that they can legally do exactly what IPv4 squatters do illegally and they come out here with their self righteousness enablers purporting to advance the African Internet only to go about leasing integers for profit outside the region as though IPv4 integers in themselves were a product or service. </div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:sans-serif">If one was to follow up, you would actually realise that these folks don't pay any meaningful Tax in Africa (Taxes which contribute to public service delivery), don't employ any meaningful number of Africans (employment which goes to reduce unemployment), don't own any meaningful internet infrastructure (infrastructure that goes to increase internet penetration), and don't contribute anything to the Internet ecosystem in Africa nor the economic development of Africa from a digital standpoint. </div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The responsibility of managing Internet number resources and distributing them based on need to resource members is AFRINIC's activity and <b>not that of a dishonest staff member of Afrinic who involves themselves in INR misappropriation</b> nor that of <b>a resource member who sign the AFRINIC RSA, gets INR and go about leasing them without building any meaningful Internet infrastructure on continent. </b></div><div><br></div><div dir="auto">Cheers,</div><div>Noah</div><div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"><br></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif">[1] <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2014/004161.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2014/004161.html</a> <br></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"><br></div></div><div><br></div></div>
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