<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 27, 2021, at 14:48 , Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" class="">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jun 27, 2021 at 3:29 AM Ronald F. Guilmette <<a href="mailto:rfg@tristatelogic.com" class="">rfg@tristatelogic.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">In message <<a href="mailto:7DFE61F1-1FDE-4F53-AC41-B95D4CB4A9F7@delong.com" target="_blank" class="">7DFE61F1-1FDE-4F53-AC41-B95D4CB4A9F7@delong.com</a>>, <br class="">
Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank" class="">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<br class="">
<br class="">
>Note that Ronald makes it clear that entities which have no nexus in the<br class="">
>AFRINIC service region should not be eligible for membership.<br class="">
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Just to clarify, that's not exactly what I said. I quoted the Bylaws.<br class="">
They say that one must have -both- a business footprint in the region<br class="">
-and- also must be providing some (unspecified) amount of service<br class="">
within the region.<br class=""></blockquote><div class=""> </div><div class="">The practise across the Internet is that, majority of the usage is local/regional and a small % is outer-region to support expansion or connectivity back into the region.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Nope… That’s far from common practice across the vast majority of multi-national companies with significant infrastructure around the internet.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>For example, Hurricane Electric has a number of datacenter locations in Africa, but not one allocatoin/assignment from AFRINIC.</div><div><br class=""></div><div><div>kiev:owen (142) ~ % whois -h <a href="http://whois.afrinic.net" class="">whois.afrinic.net</a> <a href="http://he.net" class="">he.net</a> 2021/06/28 18:13:33</div><div>% This is the AfriNIC Whois server.</div><div>% The AFRINIC whois database is subject to the following terms of Use. See <a href="https://afrinic.net/whois/terms" class="">https://afrinic.net/whois/terms</a></div><div><br class=""></div><div>% Note: this output has been filtered.</div><div>% To receive output for a database update, use the "-B" flag.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>%ERROR:101: no entries found</div><div>%</div><div>% No entries found in source AFRINIC.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">kiev:owen (143) ~ % whois -h <a href="http://whois.afrinic.net" class="">whois.afrinic.net</a> hurricane 2021/06/29 2:32:41</div><div class="">% This is the AfriNIC Whois server.</div><div class="">% The AFRINIC whois database is subject to the following terms of Use. See <a href="https://afrinic.net/whois/terms" class="">https://afrinic.net/whois/terms</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">% Note: this output has been filtered.</div><div class="">% To receive output for a database update, use the "-B" flag.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">%ERROR:101: no entries found</div><div class="">%</div><div class="">% No entries found in source AFRINIC.</div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">When I worked there, Akamai had significant infrastructure all over Africa, but was not an AFRINIC resource member. They do appear to have</div><div class="">some AFRINIC space now, including a /30 and a /28 from PCCW in Nigeria now, but I’d hardly call that significant given the amount of infrastructure</div><div class="">they have on continent numbered from other RIRs.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="">Pretty much all LIR in all regions operate at a local scale and a few with massive economies of scale expand out especially the so called hyperscalers and tier-1 providers so to speak.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>No.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Maybe in Africa, but in most regions, there is a mix of global networks and domestic networks. Sure, the number of small network operators is greater</div><div>than the number of large ones, but the vast majority of addresses are in the hands of the larger global carriers and mega-ISPs.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Owen</div><div><br class=""></div></body></html>