<div dir="auto"><div>Dear PDWG, <br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le mar. 29 juin 2021 12:17 PM, Mike Silber <<a href="mailto:silber.mike@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">silber.mike@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">Hi Sylvain<div><br></div><div><div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Hi Mike,</div><div dir="auto">Thanks for reacting brother :-)</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div dir="auto"><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 29 Jun 2021, at 12:23, Sylvain Baya <<a href="mailto:abscoco@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">abscoco@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="auto"><div>Dear PDWG,<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le mar. 29 juin 2021 8:30 AM, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div><span style="white-space:pre-wrap">[...]</span></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>This is a misunderstanding of what a global policy is and how the global policy process works.</div><div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">[...]<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">We should first agree that the problem you want to fix is certainly not a regional problem. Why try to fix it within RIR•s?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div></div></blockquote><div>If I understand your proposal correctly, </div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Hey brother, it's just part of a practical </div><div dir="auto">explanation of what i meant in </div><div dir="auto">suggesting to move the solution where </div><div dir="auto">the problem seems to be rooted.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div dir="auto"><div>you are suggesting that certain entities would be able to obtain resources directly from the IANA? Does this not make either the IANA or the recipient a type of non-regional-RIR? In which case it would need to follow the process outlined in ICP-2.</div><div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">...you know, that might be part of the implementation aspects. It's not necessary to have it as part that kind of draft! but following your reflection on that </div><div dir="auto">point, yes i can say that it keeps the door</div><div dir="auto"> open to an implementation on which we </div><div dir="auto"> could end up with one GIR (Global </div><div dir="auto">Internet Registry). Other possibilities exist</div><div dir="auto">...the Internet Numbers Registry System </div><div dir="auto">allows them; but, again i see it as an </div><div dir="auto">implementation issue for this kind of </div><div dir="auto">global DPP's idea.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">...in fact, some of the criteria of ICP-2 [*] </div><div dir="auto">are not applicable to a GIR as mentioned. </div><div dir="auto">If ratified, as a global policy, a global DPP </div><div dir="auto">with a similar spirit will be implemented. </div><div dir="auto">How? the implementer shall decide... :-)</div><div dir="auto">__</div><div dir="auto">[*]: <span style="font-size:10.6667px">ICANN, "ICP-2: Criteria for Establishment of New Regional</span></div><pre style="font-size:10.6667px;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px"> Internet Registries", July 2001,
<<a href="http://www.icann.org/icp/icp-2.htm">http://www.icann.org/icp/icp-2.htm</a>></pre><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div dir="auto"><div><br></div><div>This is an interesting edge case, as it would involve the IANA and potentially involve the RIRs in endorsing the rules</div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">...as the actual global PDP states :-)</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div dir="auto"><div> …. so could conceivably be shoehorned under the rubric of a global policy.</div><div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">...you know, that is not my primary </div><div dir="auto">interest, i just wanted to point that: </div><div dir="auto">global issues should be traithed globally. If the problem is to offer better means to </div><div dir="auto">orgs like CDNs or DDOS firewalls...then </div><div dir="auto">it could be simpler to follow the global PDP.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div dir="auto"><div><br></div><div>I would need to see a fleshed out proposal with a lot more detail before I express an opinion, however I do agree that my initial knee-jerk reaction that this is not global policy may not have been correct.</div><div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Owen, are you ready now? brother you </div><div dir="auto">are the one who enlightened that global </div><div dir="auto">issue...</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div dir="auto"><div><br></div><div>I am also not sure that such a proposal would pass a sanity check under ICP-2 or the ASO MoU with ICANN, but happy to comment once there is more detail provided.</div><div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">...if processed, it should have to simply </div><div dir="auto">follow the global PDP ;-)</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div dir="auto"><div><br></div><div>Needless to say, I think the prospects of such a proposal becoming global policy are slim to none, but not bad as a thought experiment.</div><div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">...if you elaborate on the exact barriers </div><div dir="auto">you expect it could encounter, then i will </div><div dir="auto">be glad to share my thougths about.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Shalom,</div><div dir="auto">--sb.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div dir="auto"><div><br></div><div>Mike</div><div><br></div></div><br><br></div></blockquote></div></div></div>