<div dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Hey Ronald,<div><br></div><div>You are spot on.....</div><div><br></div><div>I have always argued that every single IPv4 integer that numbers a NIC on some router/server on this continent, goes to have a profound socio-economic impact, whether its some unemployed AFRINIC youth who has figured that they can run a small ecommerce business off a local ecommerce platform or a Telecom/ISP that is doing what it takes to get every single AFRICAN connected to the Internet on the AFRICAN Continent.</div><div><br></div><div>Folk got guts out here openly telling folks that we ought to turn intergers into a commodity worthy some 30USD.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">My question to AFRINIC, do your resource members justification for IPv4 needs, include that of running IPv4 Leasing? </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Does AFRINIC have IPv4 brokers as resource members?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Because it seems to me that folk out here are arguing that IPv4 integers themselves are meant to be some product sold at 30USD.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">My understanding was that the need for IPv4 was for the intergers to be used by the requester to number infrastructure for their networks/systems and their downstram customers/users so as to offer a wide range on services/products that Impact AFRICA's socio-economically and politically from, NREN, Higher Learning Institutions, Agriculture, ISP/Telecoms, Egovernment, FINTECH, SME's, Ecommerce (I know of unemployed youth leveraging the power of online platforms to forge a decent life and economically empower themselves through ecommorce, entertainment, influencers etc). The true digital transformation if you will.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">So I really need to understand what Paul is going on about to ascertain what I view as clear misunderstanding and misinterpretation of what AFRINIC is all about.</div><div dir="auto"> </div><div><div dir="ltr" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto">Cheers,</div><div dir="auto">Noah</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div>PS: RFG ....What is your poison? .... The least I could do is, ship you a cold Vodka or The Walking John :-).</div><div></div><div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 2:34 PM Ronald F. Guilmette <<a href="mailto:rfg@tristatelogic.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">rfg@tristatelogic.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">In message <<a href="mailto:17a3d21fad1.bd552ba1206303.7060355078460728919@africaoncloud.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">17a3d21fad1.bd552ba1206303.7060355078460728919@africaoncloud.net</a>>, <br>
Paul Wollner <<a href="mailto:paul.wollner@africaoncloud.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">paul.wollner@africaoncloud.net</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
>Out-of-region use was extensively discussed<br>
>within the last decade, and it was a consensus that pre-soft landing space is<br>
>allowed for out-of-region use. Yet, I heard that AFRINIC seems to be using<br>
>bylaw 6.1 to manage other people's resource usage. This is not part of AFRINIC<br>
>policy and has, with good reason, never been approved by the community.<br>
<br>
This happens to be a special point of interest for me.<br>
<br>
Section 6.1 of the Bylaws reads as follows:<br>
<br>
6.1) Subject to the other provisions of this Article, membership shall<br>
be open to:<br>
<br>
i) any Person who is geographically based within, and providing<br>
services in the African region, and who is engaged in the use<br>
of, or business of providing, open system protocol network<br>
services; or <br>
<br>
ii) any other Person who is approved by the Board or the members.<br>
<br>
There is no ambiguity here, and the matter is NOT up for debate. AFRINIC<br>
is a corporate entity and it is -legally obliged- to conform to its own<br>
Bylaws.<br>
<br>
It is most certainly the case that some persons and entities who are<br>
currently listed as "members" of AFRINIC simply do not qualify as such<br>
based on any reasonable reading of the above section of the Bylaws.<br>
<br>
If the membership wishes to *change* the Bylaws, then it may be free to<br>
do so, under Mauritius law. But as of this moment, the Bylaws simply ARE<br>
what the Bylaws are, and they are NOT ambiguous.<br>
<br>
Some parties currently listed as "members" of AFRINIC are *not* providing<br>
*any* "services in the African region". They are, instead profiteers and<br>
carpetbaggers who have effectively looted what they could from AFRINIC and<br>
then laughed all the way to the bank. (I prefer not to mention any names,<br>
but the handle ORG-FGI1-AFRINIC comes immediately to mind.)<br>
<br>
You can question whether or not AFRINIC should be allowing totally free<br>
and totally unfettered use of, and transfers of, IP addres blocks that <br>
AFRINIC has given out, but then if that was in fact the plan all along,<br>
then a reasonable person would necessarily have to stop and ask himself:<br>
"Well, then, what was the point of establishing AFRINIC as a separate<br>
and independent RIR in the first place anyway?"<br>
<br>
If people were all just going to descend on AFRINIC, like vultures, grab<br>
whatever they could and then abscond with their booty to the RIPE region<br>
or the ARIN region or the APNIC region or the LACNIC region, then we could<br>
all have saved a lot of time and bother by never even creating AFRINIC in<br>
the first place.<br>
<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
rfg<br>
<br>
<br>
P.S. I personally would be entirely happy if all of the five existing RIRs<br>
were folded into a single global entity. That would certain make it easier<br>
for me, i.e. if I only had to parse a single flavor of WHOIS records, instead<br>
of five different flavors, like I have to deal with now. But somehow I<br>
suspect that the various people who work for all five of these Regional<br>
Internet Registries might hold a somewhat different view on the matter.<br>
<br>
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