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--></style></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi Chairs,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Will all the respect, I’m sorry but I think this is a violation of the PDP.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The chairs, following 3.4.3 initiated the last-call and they *<b>shall</b>* decide at the end of the last-call (3.4.4) if the consensus is sustained based in the list discussion during the last-call if any *<b>new</b>* concerns have reverted the previous consensus decision.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The AC must take a decision *<b>after</b>* your decision, in order to re-confirm your decision or revert it. But if you don’t take a decision, they can’t do that.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>In addition to that, what you are doing will practically mean that anyone willing to block *<b>any proposal</b>* will just need to send an appeal, even if it is clearly invalid, etc. At the minimum that will mean delaying the proposal, but delaying it *<b>forever</b>* because they can keep sending appeals in every new step/decision that the chairs do!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>In other words: The work of the chairs is to decide if there is consensus or not. This is regardless of appeals. If there is a pending appeal and you asked for ratification of a proposal, it is the task of the board to hold the ratification until the appeal is resolved. Chairs can’t interfere with that.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Further to that, the AC is *<b>not active</b>*, if I understood correctly their last statement.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>So the question here is: Do you believe the inputs in the last call reverted the consensus or not?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>El 24/6/21 23:17, "PDWG Chair" <<a href="mailto:vincent@ngundi.me.ke">vincent@ngundi.me.ke</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;text-align:justify'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Dear PDWG</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;text-align:justify'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>We refer to the appeal that has been lodged against the decision of the AFRINIC PDWG Co-Chairs in respect of the policy proposal bearing the name ‘Abuse Contact Policy Update’ and ID [AFPUB-2018-GEN-001-DRAFT07].</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;text-align:justify'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>In order to allow the Appeal Committee to perform its duty without any influence from discussions being held on the present mailing list, we consider it appropriate to suspend all deliberations on this draft policy proposal pending the outcome of the appeal.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;text-align:justify'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Regards,</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;text-align:justify'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Vincent Ngundi & Darwin Da Costa</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt;text-align:justify'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>AFRINIC PDWG CO-CHAIRS</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On 08/06/2021 17:04, PDWG Chair wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Dear PDWG,<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Following the commencement of the Last Call period on 5th June 2021, we have noted some concerns that have been raised by some members of the PDWG. As Co-Chairs, and following a review and analysis of the responses, we have concluded that all the concerns raised have been adequately addressed by either the author of this policy proposal, or by other members of the PDWG.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>We therefore encourage participants to engage in, and pursue, any editorial changes to the policy proposal as well as any contentious issues that are objective and founded on proper justifications.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>We also remind the community to adhere to the AfriNIC Code of Conduct (<a href="https://www.afrinic.net/code">https://www.afrinic.net/code</a>) in order to ensure that our deliberations remain professional, respectful and appropriate at all times.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Finally, we wish to inform the PDWG that the Last Call period closes on 19th June 2021 at 2359UTC.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'>Regards,<br>Vincent Ngundi & Darwin Da Costa<br>AFRINIC PDWG CO-Chairs<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On 08/06/2021 13:29, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi Mimi,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Can you justify why is poorly placed?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>AFRINIC existing abuse policy is not mandatory, and it has been demonstrated by staff provided data, that, as a consequence, it doesn’t work.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The proposal also allow multiple channels, is not stating that you don’t have further data such as phone or whatever, it is just mandating to have at least email. So, the “two-channels” that you mention are still possible.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Personal data is not allowed in Mauritius, so all the channels must take that in consideration, and the proposal allows that.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>It is simple and in fact, there are open-source tools, such as fail2ban, that can handle the automation and provide multiple channels automatically. For example, you could call up to send an automated response in first place that explains the one submitting the report that you handle automatically (and consequently much faster) cases submitted according to a standard format such as X-ARF/RFC5965/RFC6650. Then you can try to parse the data if other formats are used and if that’s not possible, an alternative automated email could tell the reporter that a manual handling is required and create a ticket, contact him by email or other channels, etc.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Note that all this is something that each network can freely decide (so internal operational details), and still comply with the proposal and definitively will help all the parties, but all that need a framework, as set by this proposal, to ensure that the email is working.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>And, no it doesn’t create a duplicate CPM content, because basically the one that we have is not useful at all, so we need to improve it.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>The basis of the PDP is to evolve as we learn. If we try to use the excuse of “we already have something in the CPM for that”, then we will never have a better CPM and learnings along the time will be wasted.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jordi</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>@jordipalet</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>El 7/6/21 23:43, "Mimi dy" <<a href="mailto:dym5328@gmail.com">dym5328@gmail.com</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt;text-align:justify;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-IN style='color:black'>Hi everyone,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt;text-align:justify;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-IN style='color:black'>Since the PDWG co-chairs announced the official start of the last call period for the <b>Abuse Contact Policy, </b>I find it essential to call out the community, so they become aware of the limitations of the proposed policy, which unfortunately, reached rough consensus.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt;text-align:justify;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-IN style='color:black'>To some extent, some people might think that the proposed policy makes sense and can see potential in improving the service quality of AFRINIC, by providing functional abuse-c information, increasing accountability among resource-holders, offering an appropriate platform/ contact for complainants to submit their complaints and reducing the related expenditure. Nonetheless, I simply do not agree with it, why? Because its pillars are poorly placed, and more importantly, AFRINIC’s existing abuse contact information policy is sufficient and very well-designed. To emphasize and clarify my point of view, the existence of two channels or abuse contacts is highly efficient. The automated mailbox can manage recurrent and frequent complaints, by providing automatic solutions and direct answers already incorporated in their database. On the other hand, the personal communication contact can handle much more complex complaints, requiring human intervention to suggest solutions or further actions. Consequently, I am convinced that both channels are of extreme necessity in handling abuse complaints and providing victims with diverse ways to deal with unfortunate situations. Also, we cannot deny that it saves AFRINIC’s efforts trying to create an abuse-c attribute all over again, and it prevents the members’ from wasting precious time developing useless policies, that are only a duplicate of the CPM policies, and initiating the long procedures of approval and ratification.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt;text-align:justify;line-height:105%'><span lang=EN-IN style='color:black'>I wish that, during this last call period, more members will contest the rough consensus that this policy reached, based on what I logically maintained above.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt;text-align:justify;line-height:105%'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt;text-align:justify;line-height:105%'><span style='color:black'>Warmly.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:70.8pt'>_______________________________________________ RPD mailing list <a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net">RPD@afrinic.net</a> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><br>**********************************************<br>IPv4 is over<br>Are you ready for the new Internet ?<br><a href="http://www.theipv6company.com">http://www.theipv6company.com</a><br>The IPv6 Company<br><br>This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. 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