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We refer to the appeal that has been lodged against the decision of the AFRINIC PDWG Co-Chairs in respect of the policy proposal bearing the name ‘Abuse Contact Policy Update’  and ID [AFPUB-2018-GEN-001-DRAFT07].</span></p>
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In order to allow the Appeal Committee to perform its duty without any influence from discussions being held on the present mailing list, we consider it appropriate to suspend all deliberations on this draft policy proposal pending the outcome of the appeal.</span></p>
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Regards,</span></p>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 08/06/2021 17:04, PDWG Chair wrote:<br>
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      <p>Dear PDWG,</p>
      <p>Following the commencement of the Last Call period on 5th June
        2021, we have noted some concerns that have been raised by some
        members of the PDWG. As Co-Chairs, and following a review and
        analysis of the responses, we have concluded that all the
        concerns raised have been adequately addressed by either the
        author of this policy proposal, or by other members of the PDWG.</p>
      <p>We therefore encourage participants to engage in, and pursue,
        any editorial changes to the policy proposal as well as any
        contentious issues that are objective and founded on proper
        justifications.</p>
      <p>We also remind the community to adhere to the AfriNIC Code of
        Conduct (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
          href="https://www.afrinic.net/code" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.afrinic.net/code</a>)
        in order to ensure that our deliberations remain professional,
        respectful and appropriate at all times.</p>
      <p>Finally, we wish to inform the PDWG that the Last Call period
        closes on 19th June 2021 at 2359UTC.</p>
      Regards,<br>
      Vincent Ngundi & Darwin Da Costa<br>
      AFRINIC PDWG CO-Chairs<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 08/06/2021 13:29, JORDI PALET
        MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:<br>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US">Hi Mimi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US">Can you justify why is poorly placed?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US">AFRINIC existing abuse policy is not
              mandatory, and it has been demonstrated by staff provided
              data, that, as a consequence, it doesn’t work.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US">The proposal also allow multiple channels, is
              not stating that you don’t have further data such as phone
              or whatever, it is just mandating to have at least email.
              So, the “two-channels” that you mention are still
              possible.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US">Personal data is not allowed in Mauritius, so
              all the channels must take that in consideration, and the
              proposal allows that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US">It is simple and in fact, there are
              open-source tools, such as fail2ban, that can handle the
              automation and provide multiple channels automatically.
              For example, you could call up to send an automated
              response in first place that explains the one submitting
              the report that you handle automatically (and consequently
              much faster) cases submitted according to a standard
              format such as X-ARF/RFC5965/RFC6650. Then you can try to
              parse the data if other formats are used and if that’s not
              possible, an alternative automated email could tell the
              reporter that a manual handling is required and create a
              ticket, contact him by email or other channels, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US">Note that all this is something that each
              network can freely decide (so internal operational
              details), and still comply with the proposal and
              definitively will help all the parties, but all that need
              a framework, as set by this proposal, to ensure that the
              email is working.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">And,
                no it doesn’t create a duplicate CPM content, because
                basically the one that we have is not useful at all, so
                we need to improve it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">The
                basis of the PDP is to evolve as we learn. If we try to
                use the excuse of “we already have something in the CPM
                for that”, then we will never have a better CPM and
                learnings along the time will be wasted.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
                lang="EN-US">Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
                lang="EN-US">@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
                lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El 7/6/21
                23:43, "Mimi dy" <<a href="mailto:dym5328@gmail.com"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">dym5328@gmail.com</a>>
                escribió:<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt;text-align:justify;line-height:106%"><span
                style="color:black" lang="EN-IN">Hi everyone,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt;text-align:justify;line-height:106%"><span
                style="color:black" lang="EN-IN">Since the PDWG
                co-chairs announced the official start of the last call
                period for the <b>Abuse Contact Policy, </b>I find it
                essential to call out the community, so they become
                aware of the limitations of the proposed policy, which
                unfortunately, reached rough consensus.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt;text-align:justify;line-height:106%"><span
                style="color:black" lang="EN-IN">To some extent, some
                people might think that the proposed policy makes sense
                and can see potential in improving the service quality
                of AFRINIC, by providing functional abuse-c information,
                increasing accountability among resource-holders,
                offering an appropriate platform/ contact for
                complainants to submit their complaints and reducing the
                related expenditure. Nonetheless, I simply do not agree
                with it, why? Because its pillars are poorly placed, and
                more importantly, AFRINIC’s existing abuse contact
                information policy is sufficient and very well-designed.
                To emphasize and clarify my point of view, the existence
                of two channels or abuse contacts is highly efficient.
                The automated mailbox can manage recurrent and frequent
                complaints, by providing automatic solutions and direct
                answers already incorporated in their database. On the
                other hand, the personal communication contact can
                handle much more complex complaints, requiring human
                intervention to suggest solutions or further actions.
                Consequently, I am convinced that both channels are of
                extreme necessity in handling abuse complaints and
                providing victims with diverse ways to deal with
                unfortunate situations. Also, we cannot deny that it
                saves AFRINIC’s efforts trying to create an abuse-c
                attribute all over again, and it prevents the members’
                from wasting precious time developing useless policies,
                that are only a duplicate of the CPM policies, and
                initiating the long procedures of approval and
                ratification.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt;text-align:justify;line-height:106%"><span
                style="color:black" lang="EN-IN">I wish that, during
                this last call period, more members will contest the
                rough consensus that this policy reached, based on what
                I logically maintained above.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt;text-align:justify;line-height:106%"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                style="color:black">Warmly.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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