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<p>Dear Chairs</p>
<p>I ask you to re-think this decision due the following reasons:</p>
<p>1 - The Appeal Committee is not working at the moment which means
the last part of this process in this forum will be on hold
indeterminately. They have stated this recently and since then
Board, who is in charge to organize to re-compose the Appeal
Committe has not said anything to my knowledge so far.</p>
<p>2 - Even if the Appeal Committee was working they would need to
accept or not this appeal and *then* the Board should delay the
ratification until a decision from the AC. It doesn't make much
sense to suspend the declaration of consensus during the final
call just because an appeal has been filled in hurry and without
much consideration to the process.</p>
<p>3 - The appeal seems to not have followed the minimum that is
required by the CPM and Appeal Committee needs to evaluate in
first instance if they will accept this appeal or not even analyze
them.</p>
<p>4 - The last call is aimed for final comments that could point to
critical scenarios where some problem or strong objection wasn't
found before and if it's the case for the authors to address them.
If during this period no new objections have been raised or have
been addressed and resolved the consensus should take its natural
path and be confirmed. Then anyone dissatisfied is in its right to
fill an appeal against that decision before the Board
ratification.<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
Fernando<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 24/06/2021 18:17, PDWG Chair wrote:<br>
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We refer to the appeal that has been lodged against the decision of the AFRINIC PDWG Co-Chairs in respect of the policy proposal bearing the name ‘Abuse Contact Policy Update’ and ID [AFPUB-2018-GEN-001-DRAFT07].</span></p>
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In order to allow the Appeal Committee to perform its duty without any influence from discussions being held on the present mailing list, we consider it appropriate to suspend all deliberations on this draft policy proposal pending the outcome of the appeal.</span></p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 08/06/2021 17:04, PDWG Chair
wrote:<br>
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<p>Dear PDWG,</p>
<p>Following the commencement of the Last Call period on 5th
June 2021, we have noted some concerns that have been raised
by some members of the PDWG. As Co-Chairs, and following a
review and analysis of the responses, we have concluded that
all the concerns raised have been adequately addressed by
either the author of this policy proposal, or by other members
of the PDWG.</p>
<p>We therefore encourage participants to engage in, and pursue,
any editorial changes to the policy proposal as well as any
contentious issues that are objective and founded on proper
justifications.</p>
<p>We also remind the community to adhere to the AfriNIC Code of
Conduct (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://www.afrinic.net/code" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.afrinic.net/code</a>)
in order to ensure that our deliberations remain professional,
respectful and appropriate at all times.</p>
<p>Finally, we wish to inform the PDWG that the Last Call period
closes on 19th June 2021 at 2359UTC.</p>
Regards,<br>
Vincent Ngundi & Darwin Da Costa<br>
AFRINIC PDWG CO-Chairs<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 08/06/2021 13:29, JORDI PALET
MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">Hi Mimi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">Can you justify why is poorly placed?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">AFRINIC existing abuse policy is not
mandatory, and it has been demonstrated by staff
provided data, that, as a consequence, it doesn’t work.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">The proposal also allow multiple channels,
is not stating that you don’t have further data such as
phone or whatever, it is just mandating to have at least
email. So, the “two-channels” that you mention are still
possible.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">Personal data is not allowed in Mauritius,
so all the channels must take that in consideration, and
the proposal allows that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">It is simple and in fact, there are
open-source tools, such as fail2ban, that can handle the
automation and provide multiple channels automatically.
For example, you could call up to send an automated
response in first place that explains the one submitting
the report that you handle automatically (and
consequently much faster) cases submitted according to a
standard format such as X-ARF/RFC5965/RFC6650. Then you
can try to parse the data if other formats are used and
if that’s not possible, an alternative automated email
could tell the reporter that a manual handling is
required and create a ticket, contact him by email or
other channels, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">Note that all this is something that each
network can freely decide (so internal operational
details), and still comply with the proposal and
definitively will help all the parties, but all that
need a framework, as set by this proposal, to ensure
that the email is working.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">And,
no it doesn’t create a duplicate CPM content, because
basically the one that we have is not useful at all,
so we need to improve it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">The
basis of the PDP is to evolve as we learn. If we try
to use the excuse of “we already have something in the
CPM for that”, then we will never have a better CPM
and learnings along the time will be wasted.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
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style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El
7/6/21 23:43, "Mimi dy" <<a
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escribió:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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style="color:black" lang="EN-IN">Hi everyone,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt;text-align:justify;line-height:106%"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-IN">Since the PDWG
co-chairs announced the official start of the last
call period for the <b>Abuse Contact Policy, </b>I
find it essential to call out the community, so they
become aware of the limitations of the proposed
policy, which unfortunately, reached rough consensus.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt;text-align:justify;line-height:106%"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-IN">To some extent, some
people might think that the proposed policy makes
sense and can see potential in improving the service
quality of AFRINIC, by providing functional abuse-c
information, increasing accountability among
resource-holders, offering an appropriate platform/
contact for complainants to submit their complaints
and reducing the related expenditure. Nonetheless, I
simply do not agree with it, why? Because its pillars
are poorly placed, and more importantly, AFRINIC’s
existing abuse contact information policy is
sufficient and very well-designed. To emphasize and
clarify my point of view, the existence of two
channels or abuse contacts is highly efficient. The
automated mailbox can manage recurrent and frequent
complaints, by providing automatic solutions and
direct answers already incorporated in their database.
On the other hand, the personal communication contact
can handle much more complex complaints, requiring
human intervention to suggest solutions or further
actions. Consequently, I am convinced that both
channels are of extreme necessity in handling abuse
complaints and providing victims with diverse ways to
deal with unfortunate situations. Also, we cannot deny
that it saves AFRINIC’s efforts trying to create an
abuse-c attribute all over again, and it prevents the
members’ from wasting precious time developing useless
policies, that are only a duplicate of the CPM
policies, and initiating the long procedures of
approval and ratification.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt;text-align:justify;line-height:106%"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-IN">I wish that, during
this last call period, more members will contest the
rough consensus that this policy reached, based on
what I logically maintained above.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt;text-align:justify;line-height:106%"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt;text-align:justify;line-height:106%"><span
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