<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 15, 2021, at 12:28 , Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" class="">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 15 Jun 2021, 21:59 Job Snijders, <<a href="mailto:job@fastly.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">job@fastly.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Dear Noah, others,<br class=""></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Hi Job...</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 06:27:21PM +0300, Noah wrote:<br class="">
> > The best measure to put in place to curb incidents is to not implement<br class="">
> > this type of policy.<br class="">
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> There are several of us who support this policy for valid reasons, some of<br class="">
> which are founded on the premise [1] that you shared with the APNIC region<br class="">
> back in 2019.<br class="">
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> [1] <a href="https://mailman.apnic.net/mailing-lists/sig-policy/archive/2019/08/msg00065.html" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://mailman.apnic.net/mailing-lists/sig-policy/archive/2019/08/msg00065.html</a><br class="">
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The point of that email was to show how SMALL the list of prefixes is! :-)<br class="">
All this effort (and risk!) to 'punish' a few tens of routes in the<br class="">
DFZ.<br class="">
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In the email you reference, I asked whether anyone could support the<br class="">
policy with actual data on network abuse. Nobody answered.</blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">So in the AFRINIC region, network abuse incidents have been reported on this very list as recent as this year and we have had incidents of misappropriation [1] of INR as well.</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">[1] <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2020-August/003678.html" class="">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2020-August/003678.html</a><br class=""></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Your example cites resources that were misappropriated in such a way that they could have had ROAs issued that would have further masked the misappropriation.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>If you’re going to pick a poster child, at least pick one that actually applies to your point.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Owen</div><div><br class=""></div></body></html>