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    <p>I suppose I can state my opinion without been hoodwinked. In the
      academic world your argument is substantially wrong. You can't
      continue investigating a matter so long the basis - problem is
      faulty, because the outcome will definitely be incorrect.</p>
    <p>That aside, I have from day one unimpressed with the policy and
      hence I have no reason to agree otherwise.</p>
    <p><b>Consensus </b>here is highly subjective, and I have seen and
      learnt about that here in this PWDG.</p>
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    <p>Simply,</p>
    <p>Daniel<br>
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    <p><br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 15/06/2021 7:06 pm, Fernando
      Frediani wrote:<br>
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      <p>Hi, could please stop trying to fish minor reasons to stop this
        policy which already reached consensus ?</p>
      <p>Throughout the entire discussion which has happened for almost
        18 months I don't remember of a single person complaining about
        the problem statement as a reason to oppose this proposal. Then
        one person who supports it says that in *his vision* some
        information lacked then that becomes a reason to discard a
        proposal which already reached consensus ?<br>
        Furthermore understanding of problem statement is subjective.
        Some people may have difficulty some not, based on their
        technical understanding. And above all problem statement alone
        is not a reason to invalid a proposal. I personally understood
        the problem well and benefited from the discussion to getter a
        better understanding with the help of the technical understand
        about the subject.<br>
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      <p>If there were critical issues in there that would have been
        pointed throughout the discussion and it wasn't.</p>
      <p>Let's just be more rational and also discuss things within the
        appropriate timeframe.<br>
        Regards<br>
        Fernando<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 15/06/2021 14:03, Daniel Yakmut
        via RPD wrote:<br>
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        <div dir="auto">If I will add, if the problem wasn't well stated
          or defined, could it also mean that there was no problem in
          the first instance?
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          <div dir="auto">Then we can possibly say that the policy is a
            non issue and should be discarded.</div>
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          <div dir="auto">Simply</div>
          <div dir="auto">Daniel</div>
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          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 4:59
            PM Paschal Ochang <<a href="mailto:pascosoft@gmail.com"
              moz-do-not-send="true">pascosoft@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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            .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hello,
            Find my comments inline.<br>
            <br>
            On Tuesday, June 15, 2021, Noah <<a
              href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" target="_blank"
              rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">noah@neo.co.tz</a>>
            wrote:<br>
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                  <div>Hi Job,</div>
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                    <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jun 14,
                      2021 at 2:12 PM Job Snijders <<a
                        href="mailto:job@fastly.com" rel="noreferrer
                        noreferrer" target="_blank"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">job@fastly.com</a>>
                      wrote:<br>
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                      rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Sat, Jun 12,
                      2021 at 09:01:03PM +0300, Noah wrote:<br>
                      > While this was resolved within 10mins, were
                      there measures put in place by<br>
                      > the NCC as mitigation process to curb a
                      repeat of the incident?<br>
                      <br>
                      This problem lasted more than 70 minutes!<br>
                      <br>
                      The point I am trying to make: once an RIR
                      automatically creates AS0<br>
                      ROAs for unallocated/unassigned space, any
                      database incidents where the<br>
                      registration status of a resource accidentally
                      (and temporarily) lapses,<br>
                      can result in blocklisting via AS0.<br>
                      <br>
                      The risk of things going wrong at a future point
                      in time versus the<br>
                      perceived benefits of such ROAs don't align well.<br>
                      <br>
                      The best measure to put in place to curb incidents
                      is to not implement<br>
                      this type of policy.<br>
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                    <p
style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica
                      Neue"">There are several of us who support
                      this policy for valid reasons, some of which are
                      founded on the premise [1] that you shared with
                      the APNIC region back in 2019.</p>
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                    <p
style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica
                      Neue";min-height:15px">[1] <a
href="https://mailman.apnic.net/mailing-lists/sig-policy/archive/2019/08/msg00065.html"
                        rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">https://mailman.apnic.net/mailing-lists/sig-policy/archive/2019/08/msg00065.html</a></p>
                    <p
style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica
                      Neue";min-height:15px"><br>
                    </p>
                    <p
style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica
                      Neue"">And if you look at the bogons [2]
                      currently seen in the global routing table, one
                      can easily find the prefixes from AFRINIC pool,
                      some being advertised by unassigned ASNs.</p>
                    <p
style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica
                      Neue";min-height:15px"><br>
                    </p>
                    <p
style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica
                      Neue";min-height:15px">[2] <a
                        href="http://thyme.rand.apnic.net/current/data-add-IANA"
                        rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">http://thyme.rand.apnic.net/current/data-add-IANA</a></p>
                    <p
style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica
                      Neue";min-height:15px"><br>
                    </p>
                    <p
style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica
                      Neue"">It is<span>  </span>unfortunate that
                      the problem statement of the proposal is not well
                      defined to allow a better understanding of the
                      problem being addressed and<span>  </span>the
                      assessment of the benefits vs risks.</p>
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            <div>Well if the problem statement of the proposal is not
              Well defined as you said, then the proposal is not well
              drafted  and that's a problem. In research if your problem
              statement is not well defined your research justification
              is also not tenable.</div>
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                    <p
style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica
                      Neue"">Yes.....Things<span>  </span>can go
                      wrong at many layers and at different levels,
                      however, <span>t</span>he entitled parties shall
                      play their role<span>  </span>and we all learn
                      from incidents and keep improving.</p>
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            <div>Well there are some lessons you don't wonna experience
              or learn from you might come out too charred to survive.  </div>
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                    <p
style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica
                      Neue"">The issuance of AS0 ROAs should follow
                      the conservative approach RIRs use in managing
                      changes in number ressources status, the addition
                      of INRs to bogon list, subject to AS0 ROAs.</p>
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                    <p
style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica
                      Neue";min-height:15px">In my humble opinion.</p>
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                    <p
style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica
                      Neue";min-height:15px">Cheers,</p>
                    <p
style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica
                      Neue";min-height:15px">Noah</p>
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            -- <br>
            Kind regards,
            <p>Paschal.<br>
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