<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Thanks for the timely reminder Sylvain<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I think we may need to expand on the concept of “transparency”.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The challenge many of us have is that the discussion is transparent, but the background and motivation of many participants is not transparent.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Any thoughts if such transparency is desirable (or required)? Any suggestions how we increase the transparency of participants (if desirable)?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Mike<br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 10 Jun 2021, at 13:17, Sylvain Baya <<a href="mailto:abscoco@gmail.com" class="">abscoco@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="">Dear PDWG,</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Hoping that this email finds you in good health!</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">...please see my comments below.<br class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le mar. 8 juin 2021 11:58 AM, Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> a écrit :<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto" class="">Hi Jordi<div dir="auto" class=""></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Hi Noah,</div><div dir="auto" class="">Thanks for your email, brother.</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">What I am saying is that we out to be responsible but that does not mean we must be anonymous.</div><div dir="auto" class=""></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">...i think the discussion about anonymity [1] </div><div dir="auto" class="">is a foundamental one for this PDWG.</div><div dir="auto" class="">__</div><div dir="auto" class="">[1]: Anonymity & Profiling Internet Community Members?</div><div dir="auto" class=""><<a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2020/011085.html" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2020/011085.html</a>></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">We should address it fairly...as it's not an easy matter.</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">What we should consider is always our core principles [2] :</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">~°~</div><div dir="auto" class=""><h3 style="font-family:"open sans",sans-serif;font-weight:normal;line-height:1.1;color:rgb(117,117,117);margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:10px;font-size:24px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class="">3.2 <a style="background-color:transparent;color:rgb(210,114,70)" rel="noreferrer" class=""></a>Policy Development Principles</h3><p style="margin:0px 0px 5px;font-size:13px;color:rgb(117,117,117);font-family:roboto,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class="">All policies are developed by the Internet community following the three principles of openness, transparency and fairness. The Internet community initiates and discusses the proposals. If consensus is reached on the draft policy, it is recommended to the AFRINIC Board of Directors for adoption as a policy.</p><h3 style="font-family:"open sans",sans-serif;font-weight:normal;line-height:1.1;color:rgb(117,117,117);margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:10px;font-size:24px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class="">3.2.1 Openness</h3><p style="margin:0px 0px 5px;font-size:13px;color:rgb(117,117,117);font-family:roboto,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class="">All policies are developed in an open forum in which anyone may participate. There are no qualifications for participation.</p><h3 style="font-family:"open sans",sans-serif;font-weight:normal;line-height:1.1;color:rgb(117,117,117);margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:10px;font-size:24px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class="">3.2.2 Transparency</h3><p style="margin:0px 0px 5px;font-size:13px;color:rgb(117,117,117);font-family:roboto,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class="">All aspects of the Policy Development Process are documented and publicly available via the AFRINIC website. The discussions are publicly archived. All procedures that are developed to implement the policy are documented by AFRINIC and are publicly available.</p><h3 style="font-family:"open sans",sans-serif;font-weight:normal;line-height:1.1;color:rgb(117,117,117);margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:10px;font-size:24px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class="">3.2.3 Fairness</h3><p style="margin:0px 0px 5px;font-size:13px;color:rgb(117,117,117);font-family:roboto,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class="">The policies are to ensure fair distribution of resources and facilitating the operation of the Internet. Actions are taken within a reasonable period of time.</p></div><div dir="auto" class="">~°~</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">The challenged principle is "Openness"</div><div dir="auto" class="">...and because the PDWG should be always </div><div dir="auto" class="">open to new participations...the problem at hands </div><div dir="auto" class="">is tough and difficult to solve.</div><div dir="auto" class="">__</div><div dir="auto" class="">[2]: CPM section 3.2 </div><div dir="auto" class=""><<a href="https://afrinic.net/policy/manual#PDP-Principles" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">https://afrinic.net/policy/manual#PDP-Principles</a>></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">With freedom comes responsibility.</div><div dir="auto" class=""></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">...my responsibility is to follow the PDP while </div><div dir="auto" class="">participating to the PDWG's activities. ...i'll always keep preserving all my personal </div><div dir="auto" class="">values, principles & beliefs. If i must </div><div dir="auto" class="">compromise it, then i'm not in a place </div><div dir="auto" class="">where i should stay...i agree! but if it might appear to be easy to me...the opposite if certainly true for others... :-/</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">...trying to wear their shoes is a good try.</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Have blessed thursday!</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Shalom,</div><div dir="auto" class="">--sb.</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Noah</div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 8 Jun 2021, 13:42 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD, <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="ES" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word" class=""><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm" class=""><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:106.2pt"><br class=""></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:142.2pt">[...]</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><br class=""></p><div dir="auto" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><u class=""></u></p></div></blockquote><div dir="auto" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><br class=""></p></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div>
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