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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I say this as an AFRINIC member who is affected by the policies that are either implemented or NOT implemented.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">While I agree with the community, bottom up approach, I am starting to have an issue where the term “community” is a little stretched. By that, I mean people who are in or out of the region, with
apparent little to no understanding of networks anonymously (gmail, representing themselves without us knowing what networks they run and or manage) holding the discussion and policy to ransom.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I have on issues with people who represent and run networks from anywhere willing to assist in the betterment of our policies.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">As someone once said, with freedom, comes responsibility.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Just my 2c worth<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <rpd@afrinic.net>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 08 June 2021 08:38<br>
<b>To:</b> rpd@afrinic.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] Last Call - RPKI ROAs for Unallocated and Unassigned AFRINIC Address Space AFPUB-2019-GEN-006-DRAFT03.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">(semi-irony mode on)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Wow, so much difficult problem statement! Some possible responses:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:23.25pt;text-indent:-18.0pt"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Because some people don’t operate networks, or don’t do it properly?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:-12.75pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3">
<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Because some people aren’t interested in understanding it or not interested in measures to protect resources, because that will make easy to avoid their improper business models (or even
maybe bad activities)?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:-12.75pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3">
<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Because some people are speaking on behalf others?<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES-TRAD" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">And all this explains inmature and unreaseanable objections not just to this policy proposal, but to any proposal that try to facilitate the accuracy of the RIRs and simplify the job
of good faith operators in a standard way.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Policies aren’t meant to protect business, specially those against the overall community interest. If you’re doing something wrong or in the limit of what is acceptable, you don’t
have interest in certain policies.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES">El 8/6/21 8:24, "Mark Elkins" <<a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za">mje@posix.co.za</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES">Well said Frank!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES">I still don't understand why some people don't see this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES">On 6/8/21 8:01 AM, Frank Habicht wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES">Hi<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES">On 08/06/2021 01:45, Daniel Yakmut via RPD wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES">Are you postulating here that Resources not allocated are susceptible to<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES">hijack?<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES">- resources are susceptible to hijack.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES">- if a ROA with AS0 was published for an unallocated resource, it would<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> be less susceptible to hijack.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
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<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES">My other understanding is an RIR is a resource dispenser.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES">When I get my next resource from AfriNIC, I will prefer one that was not<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES">previously hijacked and used for spamming and network abuse, and got<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES">blacklisted and a bad reputation everywhere.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES">What about you?<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES">Frank<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
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<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES">Simply<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES">Daniel<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES">On Mon, Jun 7, 2021, 11:30 PM Fernando Frediani <<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"><a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com"><mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> AfriNic (or any other RIR) is the resource holder for IP space that<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> IANA has allocated to it. So who else could secure that space until<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> it is assigned to an organization issuing ROAs if not the current<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> resource holder ?<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> Must we have a policy accepted by either RIPE or ARIN first in order<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> to accept it in AfriNic afterwards ?<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> This is not a worry to the RIR, it is actually an additional<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> guarantee that no one else will try to make usage of IP space under<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> its responsability.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> Fernando<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> On 07/06/2021 19:14, Daniel Yakmut via RPD wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> Dear Jordi,<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> Just out of curiosity why has RIPE and ARIN refused to adopt the<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> RPKI ROA and make it their responsibility that it is used by<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> resource holder?. I will agree that RPKI ROA is a good tool to<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> secure BGP routing, however I don't see as the responsibility of<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> an RIR to implement it.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> My strong opinion is that any resource holder should be<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> responsible for securing its resources and if RPKI ROA is the best<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> way to prevent hijack, then it will enjoy patronage. Making it a<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> job of AfriNIC, will possibly be going over board.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> Responding to my opening question, I believe RIPE and ARIN are not<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> keen on accepting your arguments because they are mundane. This<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> means resource holders should handle this issue, without making it<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> a worry of the RIR.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> In this regard, AfriNIC should concentrate on handling other more<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> important issues, hence this policy is not relevant.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> Simply<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> Daniel<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> On 07/06/2021 6:3pm, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> Ni Mimi,____<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> __ __<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> No, is not ideological, the legal counsel already confirmed the<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> being bookkeepers has many other **related** implications, such<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> as provide a trustable source of accurate data, and this is what<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> RPKI and AS0 improve.____<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> __ __<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> The fact that in RIPE has not been accepted yet is just one more<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> excuse, if you compare it with the fact that the other TWO RIRs<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> where it has been submitted (APNIC and LACNIC) accepted it and in<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> none of those regions there have been any of the excuses and lack<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> of knowledge about RPKI that we are hearing here. As I’ve<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> explained already, I don’t think the RIPE chairs decision was<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> correct, and we will make sure to resubmit the proposal there<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> once a consistent appeal process is available, in case chairs<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> take again a wrong decision. Also, then the experience in APNIC,<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> LACNIC and AFRINIC will show that those motivations are<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> ridiculous.____<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> __ __<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> From time to time is good that ARIN and RIPE aren’t the leaders,<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> you don’t think so? It shows that very smart people exist in<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> other regions as well!____<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> __ __<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> Once more, sometimes policies in one or the other region fail to<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> reach consensus, but it happens sooner or later.____<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> __ __<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> If you have a simple and trustable tool such as RPKI to drop<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> invalids, you have a better way (if you want) to avoid bad actors<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> to use prefixes that don’t belong to them as they are still on<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> the hands of AFRINIC. This is just facts. Not ideological, not<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> opinions or personal view points. So yes, AS0 avoids, if you<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> operate your network in a consistent way, to be faked with<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> prefixes not allocated/assigned by AFRINIC, and thus helps to<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> prevent hijacking.____<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
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<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> Regards,____<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> Jordi____<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> @jordipalet____<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> __ __<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> __ __<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> El 7/6/21 18:47, "Mimi dy" <<a href="mailto:dym5328@gmail.com">dym5328@gmail.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> <a href="mailto:dym5328@gmail.com"><mailto:dym5328@gmail.com></a>> escribió:____<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> __ __<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> Dear WG,____<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> ____<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> I think the issue here is ideological. Many people believe that<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> RIRs are mere bookkeepers, and it is not in their mandate to<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> inject data into the routing database. That is the reason why<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> RIPE did not approve a similar proposal, which I totally agree<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> with. Moreover, I wanted to react to Jordi’s statement, saying<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> that these objections are based on practical and technical<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> matters. There is not only one routing database, there are many,<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> isn’t it kind of messy? And that is not even the main reason why<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> I object to this policy. ____<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> From another perspective, since people can adjust and control<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> their routers, can you precise how this policy can potentially<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> prevent/ reduce hijacking?____<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> ____<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="ES"> Best.____<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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